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Earlier this year, when I was working on criteria for a perfect loglang wit=
h constant references to the existing specimens, one of the few flaws in Lo=
jban that emerged early in the study was the proliferation of connectives.=
=A0 For almost all the cases except the sentential ones (basic in logic, wh=
atever may be the case in Lojban) there were clearer ways of handling the s=
ituation (some of them remarkably rare, by the way) than using a new connec=
tive.=A0 Some were even shorter.=A0 To be sure, these efficiencies were in =
a system being built from scratch, without the inertia of 20 years of devel=
opment, but most look to be adaptable to existing Lojban with some inevitab=
le backward loss.


________________________________
 From: MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Mad Proposals
=20


I came across it via la gleki on Facebook, but I couldn't figure out how to=
 vote on it in Google Plus or Groups or wherever it is. =A0

mu'o mi'e la stevon


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

la .stivos. cu cusku di'e
>
>
>I whole-heartedly support this change. I'm not a regular user of Lojban,
>>though.
>>
>
May I ask what motivated you to say that just then? Did you just randomly r=
un into this proposal now or does this have to do with the recent thread ab=
out TAG connectives? I'm just wondering if this is coincidence. :)
>
>Lately, there has been more and more talk of GIJA (which it's usually refe=
rred to by some, rather than "Mad Proposal", since, of course, its proponen=
ts don't find it at all mad!). xorxes' "speak up now!" call might finally b=
e answered, albeit belatedly (20 years!).
>
>I wonder how many more people are silently in favor of GIJA. My estimate r=
ight now is that there are (at least) 7 people in favor, almost all of whic=
h use Lojban regularly.
>
>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Earlier th=
is year, when I was working on criteria for a perfect loglang with constant=
 references to the existing specimens, one of the few flaws in Lojban that =
emerged early in the study was the proliferation of connectives.&nbsp; For =
almost all the cases except the sentential ones (basic in logic, whatever m=
ay be the case in Lojban) there were clearer ways of handling the situation=
 (some of them remarkably rare, by the way) than using a new connective.&nb=
sp; Some were even shorter.&nbsp; To be sure, these efficiencies were in a =
system being built from scratch, without the inertia of 20 years of develop=
ment, but most look to be adaptable to existing Lojban with some inevitable=
 backward loss.<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family:=
 times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
 style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: =
12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">=
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> MorphemeAddict &lt;l=
ytlesw@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></=
b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:=
</span></b> Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:27 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Re: The Mad Proposals<br> </font=
> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
<div id=3D"yiv948268427"><div dir=3D"ltr">I came across it via la gleki on =
Facebook, but I couldn't figure out how to vote on it in Google Plus or Gro=
ups or wherever it is. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div style=3D"">mu'o mi'e la st=
evon</div><div style=3D""><br>

</div></div><div class=3D"yiv948268427gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"yi=
v948268427gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM, selpa'i <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv948268427gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">la .stivos. cu cusku di'e<div c=
lass=3D"yiv948268427im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv948268427gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I whole-heartedly support this change. I'm not a regular user of Lojban,<br=
>
though.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
May I ask what motivated you to say that just then? Did you just randomly r=
un into this proposal now or does this have to do with the recent thread ab=
out TAG connectives? I'm just wondering if this is coincidence. :)<br>


<br>
Lately, there has been more and more talk of GIJA (which it's usually refer=
red to by some, rather than "Mad Proposal", since, of course, its proponent=
s don't find it at all mad!). xorxes' "speak up now!" call might finally be=
 answered, albeit belatedly (20 years!).<br>


<br>
I wonder how many more people are silently in favor of GIJA. My estimate ri=
ght now is that there are (at least) 7 people in favor, almost all of which=
 use Lojban regularly.<br>
<br>
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<div class=3D"yiv948268427HOEnZb"><div class=3D"yiv9482=
68427h5"><br>
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