Received: from mail-wi0-f186.google.com ([209.85.212.186]:33566) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UWr9W-0001YF-Bv for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:27 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f186.google.com with SMTP id hq12sf711874wib.13 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-authenticated :x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kDkdWQ23b444IyHWyXMnl6/eg7GE9RDvd2rTI3KI5Po=; b=iieshNj98vGJCCcGO+1qlbTaEObG6jjqAAGun3ZeTigtB5/JeEwciQpYIBKNppiyds 5OeB2ezurUTL4q9B8vR5JWFZfx2YK8pt/6tY9qeu/VUO+I0dj5GMRzCsTGRe1amqLBHG W3FSGcc1EsFw4kWcSUfzer4D5aYilbX9nR8AqcedOwrmZXCVHEvqKRTVHPArIvrutq9K dszWqGQgPE+yCf/DRUWx4W2DTm0W6rgNO/f/vGoWlf3rolfoFuQpjDqA9gZIaBJkNxVL 5d3vyFNb+7423QRqo0KrjzG1gU0dwV6u7T/X2/yBWmcWB/EYkmz1rK8AiWn6nnJZShfx PGyA== X-Received: by 10.180.82.68 with SMTP id g4mr924455wiy.16.1367253721774; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.108.103 with SMTP id hj7ls328105wib.22.canary; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.110.201 with SMTP id ch49mr50279218eeb.2.1367253721337; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si6777449eew.0.2013.04.29.09.42.01 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.17]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJqSQ-1UVlDp0Vts-001ELh for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:42:01 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Apr 2013 16:42:01 -0000 Received: from p5DDC7BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.123.160] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 29 Apr 2013 18:42:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ZVfhVTKcZSXwslAIRUtpgC7NdtvdkxZyQSj9tXb pnanPum6cQTndS Message-ID: <517EA2D8.4000206@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:42:00 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby Words: "you're right" and orders. References: <20130429163424.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20130429163424.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > 1. How would you mark a {ko} that's an order? I use {e'o} for > requests. For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but it's > a tad unsatisfying. The currently proposed BPFK meaning for {.e'i} is just that. {.e'i} becomes an irrealis attitudinal marking a command/order. Although this may seem like a big change to definition of the word, it seems to be the only way to express orders of this kind, so: {.e'i do na broda} I'm not sure I am 100% behind this definition, but the above argument speaks for it. This is also why I approve of the new {.e'e} definition. (I also never found the old definition very useful.) > 2. How would you say "that's right!" or "you're right!", i.e. when > the kid brings me the object I've asked for? I use {i'e} for lots > of situations like that, but that doesn't convey correctness > particularily. Is {drani} OK here? I'm not clear on what can do in > the x1. {drani} is very flexible, thanks to the x2. {.i'e do drani} is certainly fine. "You are correct in that you picked the right object/what object you picked." mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.