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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:14:43 -0400
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Reading the BPFK definition of {e'i}
here<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals>,
I feel like {.e'i do na broda} would translate to "You must not do
{broda}", while {e'i ko na broda} would translate to "Don't {broda}". If
this understanding is right, then there's no problem expressing what gleki
wants, and selpa'i is subtly wrong. If I'm wrong, could someone point me to
an explanation of why?


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:34:24 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1.  How would you mark a {ko} that's an order?  I use {e'o} for
>> requests.  For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but it's
>> a tad unsatisfying.
>>
>
> Now I wonder how to say "You have to do this" if {e'i} is taken.
> It's time to update jbovlaste definitions because they are being
> translated to other languages and these wrong definitions are being
> multiplied.
>
>
>> 2.  How would you say "that's right!" or "you're right!", i.e. when
>> the kid brings me the object I've asked for?  I use {i'e} for lots
>> of situations like that, but that doesn't convey correctness
>> particularily.  Is {drani} OK here?  I'm not clear on what can do in
>> the x1.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
>> http://intelligence.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni
>> li'u
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Reading the BPFK definition of {e&#39;i} <a href=3D"http:/=
/www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals">here</a>, I fee=
l like {.e&#39;i do na broda} would translate to &quot;You must not do {bro=
da}&quot;, while {e&#39;i ko na broda} would translate to &quot;Don&#39;t {=
broda}&quot;. If this understanding is right, then there&#39;s no problem e=
xpressing what gleki wants, and selpa&#39;i is subtly wrong. If I&#39;m wro=
ng, could someone point me to an explanation of why?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 Apr 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Monday, April 2=
9, 2013 8:34:24 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">


<br>1. =A0How would you mark a {ko} that&#39;s an order? =A0I use {e&#39;o}=
 for
<br>requests. =A0For &quot;You must do this!&quot; I&#39;ve been using {ga&=
#39;i}, but it&#39;s
<br>a tad unsatisfying.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Now I wonder how to say &quot;Yo=
u have to do this&quot; if {e&#39;i} is taken.</div><div>It&#39;s time to u=
pdate jbovlaste definitions because they are being translated to other lang=
uages and these wrong definitions are being multiplied.</div>

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<br>2. =A0How would you say &quot;that&#39;s right!&quot; or &quot;you&#39;=
re right!&quot;, i.e. when
<br>the kid brings me the object I&#39;ve asked for? =A0I use {i&#39;e} for=
 lots
<br>of situations like that, but that doesn&#39;t convey correctness
<br>particularily. =A0Is {drani} OK here? =A0I&#39;m not clear on what can =
do in
<br>the x1.
<br>
<br>-Robin
<br>
<br>--=20
<br><a href=3D"http://intelligence.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://intellige=
nce.org/</a> : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
<br>.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go&#39;i li=
9;u .e
<br>lu go&#39;i li&#39;u .i ji&#39;a go&#39;i lu na&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u=
 .e lu go&#39;i na&#39;i li&#39;u .e
<br>lu no&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu to&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu lo=
 mamta be do cu sofybakni li&#39;u
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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