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> In particular, is there a difference between (1) and (2), and if so, what
> is it?
>
> (1) .i .e'o do mi sidju
>     "Please help me."
>
> (2) .i .e'o ko mi sidju
>     "Please help me.


Yes, there is a difference, but it's the sort that probably won't matter
outside of poetry or literary analysis. As you say, the latter is more
direct.

To take another example, contrast {.e'o ko cliva} with {.e'o do cliva}: in
the latter, I might be more aware of (and maybe more interested in) the
possibility that a bouncer would throw you out.

MorphemAddict: Imperative refers to a grammatical construct which carries
the pragmatics that the listener do something; command refers to any
statement that has such pragmatics and is also given from a (presumed)
position of power.

"Close the window." is an imperative but may or may not be a command;
"Please close the window." is an imperative but probably not a command;
"You'd better close the window now!" is a command but not an imperative.

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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In particular, is there a difference between (1) and (2), and if so, what i=
s it?<br>
<br>
(1) .i .e&#39;o do mi sidju<br>
=A0 =A0 &quot;Please help me.&quot;<br>
<br>
(2) .i .e&#39;o ko mi sidju<br>
=A0 =A0 &quot;Please help me.
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Yes, there is a dif=
ference, but it&#39;s the sort that probably won&#39;t matter outside of po=
etry or literary analysis. As you say, the latter is more direct.<br><br>

To take another example, contrast {.e&#39;o ko cliva} with {.e&#39;o do cli=
va}: in the latter, I might be more aware of (and maybe more interested in)=
 the possibility that a bouncer would throw you out.<br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra">

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">MorphemAddict: Imperative refers to a =
grammatical construct which carries the pragmatics that the listener do som=
ething; command refers to any statement that has such pragmatics and is als=
o given from a (presumed) position of power.<br>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">&quot;Close the window.&quot; is an im=
perative but may or may not be a command; &quot;Please close the window.&qu=
ot; is an imperative but probably not a command; &quot;You&#39;d better clo=
se the window now!&quot; is a command but not an imperative.<br clear=3D"al=
l">

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .arpis.<br>
</div></div>

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