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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_728_2068208.1367320241687" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_728_2068208.1367320241687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:14:43 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote: > > Reading the BPFK definition of {e'i} here, > I feel like {.e'i do na broda} would translate to "You must not do > {broda}", while {e'i ko na broda} would translate to "Don't {broda}". If > this understanding is right, then there's no problem expressing what gleki > wants, and selpa'i is subtly wrong. If I'm wrong, could someone point me to > an explanation of why? > What I do want is to know how to say 1. Don't eat! (not necessarily in a command voice) 2. You have to eat. 3. You should eat. > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:34:24 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1. How would you mark a {ko} that's an order? I use {e'o} for >>> requests. For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but it's >>> a tad unsatisfying. >>> >> >> Now I wonder how to say "You have to do this" if {e'i} is taken. >> It's time to update jbovlaste definitions because they are being >> translated to other languages and these wrong definitions are being >> multiplied. >> >> >>> 2. How would you say "that's right!" or "you're right!", i.e. when >>> the kid brings me the object I've asked for? I use {i'e} for lots >>> of situations like that, but that doesn't convey correctness >>> particularily. Is {drani} OK here? I'm not clear on what can do in >>> the x1. >>> >>> -Robin >>> >>> -- >>> http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni >>> li'u >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:14:43 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
Reading the BPFK defin= ition of {e'i} here, I feel like {.e'i do na broda}= would translate to "You must not do {broda}", while {e'i ko na broda} woul= d translate to "Don't {broda}". If this understanding is right, then there'= s no problem expressing what gleki wants, and selpa'i is subtly wrong. If I= 'm wrong, could someone point me to an explanation of why?


What I do want is to know how to s= ay
1. Don't eat! (not necessarily in a command voice)
2= . You have to eat.
3. You should eat.
 


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:49= PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:34:= 24 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:

1.  How would you mark a {ko} that's an order?  I use {e'o} f= or
requests.  For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but it'= s
a tad unsatisfying.

Now I wonder how to say "You hav= e to do this" if {e'i} is taken.
It's time to update jbovlaste de= finitions because they are being translated to other languages and these wr= ong definitions are being multiplied.


2.  How would you say "that's right!" or "you're right!", i.e. whe= n
the kid brings me the object I've asked for?  I use {i'e} for lots
of situations like that, but that doesn't convey correctness
particularily.  Is {drani} OK here?  I'm not clear on what ca= n do in
the x1.

-Robin

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http://intellige= nce.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn= i li'u

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