Received: from mail-qa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.216.63]:36195) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXAh2-0004Ch-Mz for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:34:16 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id g10sf189156qah.18 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mXAzqTrIZvpOdJwhqYFD1cPs0z6V6FqSTOhDJtDeRG0=; b=t+6hPZ8loLLsZJXqLiLFMFdhntMumP8OLgM0sOO7N02SqUoqUSfof+55o7Fru0EZuH yWAjNtKkYd4gnXSnPMCBpGJL6IrGLn0psSXySjvBNu4iLlS3AcgP2lTY99ePo/gkTzue Pa6NT7KFYwbV9lMSMIrYWBlqGmxHXAKQbURY9+X07ic8s4LX/iE3n5cd9nQ4jk2eyPdX rPliYP6ras6ygr4FrNfPtIHhD75EiPjPh9MVzZoPAftLIdU1js1cJ9P05iylhBwq/9XS voH0dG3shK2IeGD0u9VskdS+J6xXOH0t/7wt8XwApS12qes1oHwEPFRFP+RoC0kq+mpV SDfw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mXAzqTrIZvpOdJwhqYFD1cPs0z6V6FqSTOhDJtDeRG0=; b=uuPyhZOtNl4JJERLWRJvpaRlfxtgTcXIH+Nfc+Pf83Szw1n7MkmTL3tlais5D13PpT wsASed4uak9cjJtxjgBp/0hKmP3QhlS8OTd809HiL5LYJpD2YoaYCDmJzSsreZJEG/fy faI4p7rBAQZb2k5gDxivf/6FYCRUtz5YOA7OL1YCsOw7jsXZBp9FMkgmZs3fzfwIkdOu xyY7zfHljFbnZ50ryC1vMT7qWXq2TVnFVnoRqK6BU8hy6q4Z3JQ/D8pOADn0T/zzVxDx PjC+oYui62/4PIqLV/kRDZHOhIigzKsOe8mqPPjYHEEJN1N9uWL9KdIO0vOdNxLmr95o c6zQ== X-Received: by 10.49.104.209 with SMTP id gg17mr1277897qeb.7.1367328838154; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.231 with SMTP id y7ls228933qeu.16.gmail; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.59.6.71 with SMTP id cs7mr20594487ved.22.1367328837062; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x234.google.com (mail-ve0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wc4si1644744vdb.1.2013.04.30.06.33.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234; Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pb11so376014veb.11 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.155.74 with SMTP id vu10mr26790345veb.27.1367328836980; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.116.204 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:33:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5179678E.30007@gmx.de> References: <5179678E.30007@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A use for {me SUMTI mei} To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6720ca9eca8f04db940dda X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b6720ca9eca8f04db940dda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {me SUMTI mei} is awesome and it seems like we can nicely gloss it as "x1 is an amount (on an unspecified scale) represented by SUMTI. IMO, however, the x2 should simply be the type of stuff being quantified. This makes it hold more consistently with the BPFK definition of numeric mei. Indeed, rather than numerically quantifying some x2s, which is what the numeric version does, we can vaguely quantify by comparison with another object. e.g. {.i mi pinxe lo me lo xance mei be lo djacu} {.i mi citka lo me lo palte mei be lo cakla} .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b6720ca9eca8f04db940dda Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
{me SUMTI mei} is awesome= and it seems like we can nicely gloss it as "x1 is an amount (on an u= nspecified scale) represented by SUMTI. IMO, however, the x2 should simply = be the type of stuff being quantified. This makes it hold more consistently= with the BPFK definition of numeric mei. Indeed, rather than numerically q= uantifying some x2s, which is what the numeric version does, we can vaguely= quantify by comparison with another object.

e.g. {.i mi pinxe lo me lo xance mei be lo djacu} {.i mi citka lo me lo pa= lte mei be lo cakla}

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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