Received: from mail-we0-f185.google.com ([74.125.82.185]:63309) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXBzd-0005HC-Bx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:30 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f185.google.com with SMTP id z53sf173080wey.2 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=MnJ3vms1J7gbER9n/w3DVrI/pT1+6naX3l7tnNjxoSY=; b=w4Wp6MbG3f4HLxr4SIJi+wJ3BGhBXa3F9EUHD5PEKi7tiBcBzdxNzv9aTe3paOQ+FC hjrxbxygVFRPYITYSkBval3ScrPoL7FG8YBtvyCostyej2LdcRBDIF912xYVJYB/4kKO Dl8MOINxLOtDoAkXZmrU+vrE0BaGY5CXW6qEE+v6GKIeUyjco86jNQx6Rc+dXy64CIjJ UZuX6IJwbgni/5/P0gEk99q5YURhjizotlTJoYdbx5grKC4d8UTDkgfCipKPMhPwsvVR sZDVmctQUIkfPOBqdT84K6K78Cww/ktUvmoBFvJ7HgRPhmEMvIx3zetePsWQMvzHZEAm cVrw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=MnJ3vms1J7gbER9n/w3DVrI/pT1+6naX3l7tnNjxoSY=; b=iy+0cHPe1/+OisAUdAMSgxCk/43qTZ63WwybC71Ou3hr4o3P49mngZR05QR/vbYz9x b0xQCz2baoOlJAqgaxHnfMhduOcLMEc3sI2kPwx7bUIfWMmN45cGAIUG7gdhYt22etZ3 LwtQgPIq4KhceoOl64W0PjhSEQpu9DnJG7XiPlF7u+PCz0tv0+Z1ggdjxjAaZYfKEVcX 8yBVQWJWKuksgmHRWUWGm5sCASgzEFLSKEq+7Im7dRUJR9We2y24gnGDJvjp2O/4C5Ta lhyerVjk8wCeSDp3luQejAgljrtouRbKyKpNofUqBxqc2cqyGrQ1T/96Pcc/QXTvzajM LN4w== X-Received: by 10.180.95.65 with SMTP id di1mr1263746wib.11.1367333833747; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.90.230 with SMTP id bz6ls1069702wib.9.canary; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.32.144 with SMTP id sk16mr6049952bkb.4.1367333833196; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jh7si2354628bkb.3.2013.04.30.07.57.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d; Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id el20so510649lab.4 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.2.196 with SMTP id 4mr8391258law.4.1367333832867; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.146.137 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <517D5810.6030003@gmx.de> References: <517D5810.6030003@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Mad Proposals From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:10 PM, selpa'i wrote: > I wonder how many more people are silently in favor of GIJA. My estimate > right now is that there are (at least) 7 people in favor, almost all of > which use Lojban regularly. There are things in Lojban that are too complicated or unreasonably restrictive that're screaming for a change. If my vote has any validity, I vote to favor this change. But Lojban has been ruled by a dictator who opposes any kind of change, so I strongly doubt that anything will change. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.