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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:41:53 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu?
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:47:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Craig Daniel <craigb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>>> <rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 01:32:44PM -0400, Craig Daniel wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'd say the shape of Fettuccine stills qualifies as skori even
>>> though they
>>> >> > aren't cylindrical. Are there any noodles that aren't pasta?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Because if not, I'd suggest using pasta as a gismu (because we
>>> don't have a
>>> >> > gismu for pasta either, and the gismu {pasta} is available),
>>> meaning what
>>> >> > anyone would guess it did, and then noodles could be line-pasta.
>>> (skopasta).
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd be inclined to try a succinct type-IV fu'ivla, but yeah, I think
>>> >> "pasta" should be the main gloss we're going for. Alternatively,
>>> >> jbovlaste lists "pexfebdja."
>>> >
>>> > That's mine.  It sucks.
>>>
>>> It does. It's better than nothing, but I think there must be a way to do
>>> better.
>>>
>>
>> I'm still behind {pasta}. I'd be hard pressed to find a better word than
>> that.
>>
>> I'm not sure if you're aware of my hatred of fu'ivla in general?
>>
>
> uanai i si'anai mi je'u nelci lo brivla poi zo'oi VCCV tarmi ke'a
>

It has nothing to do with the shape of fu'ivla, although the lower classes
are ugly as sin (like cidjrspageti). Using fu'ivla feels like giving up, to
me, especially since Lojban is supposed to be designed to make any
conceivable concept from combining root words (lujvo).


>
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>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:47:15 PM UTC+4,=
 aionys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-le=
ft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, =
Apr 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Craig Daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>craigb...@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Apr 30,=
 2013 at 1:37 PM, Robin Lee Powell<br></div><div class=3D"im">
&lt;<a>rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 01:32:44PM -0400, Craig Daniel wrote:<br></div=
><div class=3D"im">
&gt;&gt; On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a>eye...@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;d say the shape of Fettuccine stills qualifies as skori=
 even though they<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; aren&#39;t cylindrical. Are there any noodles that aren&#39;t=
 pasta?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Because if not, I&#39;d suggest using pasta as a gismu (becau=
se we don&#39;t have a<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; gismu for pasta either, and the gismu {pasta} is available), =
meaning what<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; anyone would guess it did, and then noodles could be line-pas=
ta. (skopasta).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;d be inclined to try a succinct type-IV fu&#39;ivla, but yea=
h, I think<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;pasta&quot; should be the main gloss we&#39;re going for. Al=
ternatively,<br>
&gt;&gt; jbovlaste lists &quot;pexfebdja.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That&#39;s mine. =A0It sucks.<br>
<br>
</div></div><div class=3D"im">It does. It&#39;s better than nothing, but I =
think there must be a way to do better.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"im">I&#39;m still beh=
ind {pasta}. I&#39;d be hard pressed to find a better word than that.<br><b=
r></div></div><div class=3D"im"><div>I&#39;m not sure if you&#39;re aware o=
f my hatred of fu&#39;ivla in general?<br clear=3D"all">
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>uanai i si&#39;anai mi j=
e&#39;u nelci lo brivla poi zo&#39;oi VCCV tarmi ke&#39;a</div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>It has nothing to do with the shape of fu&#39;ivla, al=
though the lower classes are ugly as sin (like cidjrspageti). Using fu&#39;=
ivla feels like giving up, to me, especially since Lojban is supposed to be=
 designed to make any conceivable concept from combining root words (lujvo)=
.<br>
</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"=
><div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left=
:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
</div><div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cm=
ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the D=
ot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
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</blockquote>

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