Received: from mail-gg0-f184.google.com ([209.85.161.184]:41783) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXGfi-0007bS-9q for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:57:12 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f184.google.com with SMTP id b1sf296787ggn.21 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=BOT6i8Uk0oGVhXxxeFzyEiF3PyKsMYskllo7HAZ9a0g=; b=wswqijcaEsvM4DNbSegDeVj2pj8lMLrUUVCcEIDe19XR7AeK67cakR3fYP//BFOfrp rZFH69os3teWcx/AAJMCDArQ3FiVVcF8za3BqrdYUW1vi1yRrguZ+SxG/XdntADS7xBm IpfbG0uo9Czp+hQTIJYOXlGDcQPWzDheeLj7MEDjDr9+wisEHShwBV1tDLMWFv0HcPQB GY2M4Jwoiy0t2U80dUpGNnAbPZCm4aQuAtBEgnyu2/rel7UpWtplXfFy6eekEzOKZhXs ni7ML3AAGdSaS22eZPnyLGzfwrEFc7URH/ca+nO9i/JLEUvkTNvXDKb6FRp8yB14+Aw2 lykw== X-Received: by 10.50.82.35 with SMTP id f3mr1702620igy.0.1367351819744; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.192.169 with SMTP id hh9ls2802733igc.6.canary; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.162.162 with SMTP id yb2mr122124pab.15.1367351819159; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gi6si2397918pbc.2.2013.04.30.12.56.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXGfZ-0007bN-Up for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:57 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Robin does the xorban (was Re: [lojban] Baby Words: "you're right" and orders.) Message-ID: <20130430195657.GM10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20130429163424.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <517EA2D8.4000206@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <517EA2D8.4000206@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 06:42:00PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > >1. How would you mark a {ko} that's an order? I use {e'o} for > >requests. For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but > >it's a tad unsatisfying. > > The currently proposed BPFK meaning for {.e'i} is just that. > {.e'i} becomes an irrealis attitudinal marking a command/order. > Although this may seem like a big change to definition of the > word, it seems to be the only way to express orders of this kind, > so: > > {.e'i do na broda} > > I'm not sure I am 100% behind this definition, but the above > argument speaks for it. Given the incredibly tiny usage of {.e'i} according to the corpus application (250 uses on IRC, and essentially none elsewhere, especially if you ignore xorxes' usages since this was his tinkering), I've decided that my household dialect will, in fact, use {.e'i} as a command imperative. I do not, at this time, mean to impose this on anyone else, but I thouht it was worth publically noting. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.