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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:08:05 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Mad Proposals
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Robin is for quite a lot of changes. What is keeping changes from
> happening
> > is not the BDFL, but the baseline.
>
> One question; is the Lojban connective system broken as it is now? Or
> is it just unnecessarily complex?
>
> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>
It has one significant flaw that the CLL actually makes quite explicit,
namely that certain combinations of connectives (certain nonlogical
forethought connectives, in particular) simply aren't available. The
proposal does make these parse, as I recall. However they have proven, in
the past, to be rather infrequently desirable, so whether their absence is
really a problem is debatable.

Whether the connective system is unnecessarily complex is *very* debatable.
It is definitely redundant. The proposed system has significantly fewer
words and yet the two can almost be interconverted by lexical substitution.
Whether this way of doing things is truly "simpler", since it involves
compounds replacing what used to be single words as well as {gi} having an
enormous variety of uses, is another question entirely.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Betsemes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">betsemes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:=
22 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; Robin is for quite a lot of changes. What is keeping changes from happ=
ening<br>
&gt; is not the BDFL, but the baseline.<br>
<br>
</div>One question; is the Lojban connective system broken as it is now? Or=
<br>
is it just unnecessarily complex?<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e betsemes<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div>It has one significant flaw that the CLL act=
ually makes quite explicit, namely that certain combinations of connectives=
 (certain nonlogical forethought connectives, in particular) simply aren=
9;t available. The proposal does make these parse, as I recall. However the=
y have proven, in the past, to be rather infrequently desirable, so whether=
 their absence is really a problem is debatable. <br>
<br>Whether the connective system is unnecessarily complex is *very* debata=
ble. It is definitely redundant. The proposed system has significantly fewe=
r words and yet the two can almost be interconverted by lexical substitutio=
n. Whether this way of doing things is truly &quot;simpler&quot;, since it =
involves compounds replacing what used to be single words as well as {gi} h=
aving an enormous variety of uses, is another question entirely.<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></=
div></div>

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