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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7441_3139662.1367395030161" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_7441_3139662.1367395030161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:23:07 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 13:18:28 Craig Daniel wrote: > > Buckwheat is not a grain, yet soba is still a type of noodle. > > It's a norgru, so I'd still call soba "grusko". Or it could be "xubysko", > unless there's some other kind of string made from xruba. > > > Fettuccine are not cylindrical, but they're definitely a noodle as well. > > I'd call them "grusri" or "nabysri". > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:50:56 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:47:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > I'm still behind {pasta}. I'd be hard pressed to find a better > > > word than that. > > > > I would want to know where that word originated, how long it's been > > aronud, what other words have been around longer, etc., before > > simply importing a word from English. > > The word is from Latin from Ancient Greek and exists in all of the source > languages except Chinese (in which the word is "mein" or "mian" depending > on > how you transliterate the dialects). (Quick Wiktionary check.) I've seen > it > used in Portuguese for a small briefcase, and the primary meaning in > Russian > is "paste" (which is likewise from Latin "pasta"), but it is also used for > "pasta" in Russian. > In Mandarin it's just "Italian noodles". In Russian it's usually "makarony". I won't run the algorithm because it will for sure mutilate this word. Sorry no other ideas (except removing the word {pastu} that has 29 occurrencies in the corpus). > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:23:07 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 13:18= :28 Craig Daniel wrote:
> Buckwheat is not a grain, yet soba is still a type of noodle.

It's a norgru, so I'd still call soba "grusko". Or it could be "xubysko= ",=20
unless there's some other kind of string made from xruba.

> Fettuccine are not cylindrical, but they're definitely a noodle as= well.

I'd call them "grusri" or "nabysri".

On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:50:56 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:47:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > I'm still behind {pasta}. I'd be hard pressed to find a bette= r
> > word than that.
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> I would want to know where that word originated, how long it's bee= n
> aronud, what other words have been around longer, etc., before
> simply importing a word from English.

The word is from Latin from Ancient Greek and exists in all of the sour= ce=20
languages except Chinese (in which the word is "mein" or "mian" dependi= ng on=20
how you transliterate the dialects). (Quick Wiktionary check.) I've see= n it=20
used in Portuguese for a small briefcase, and the primary meaning in Ru= ssian=20
is "paste" (which is likewise from Latin "pasta"), but it is also used = for=20
"pasta" in Russian.

In Mandarin it's just "Italian noodles= ".
In Russian it's usually  "makarony".

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I won't run the algorithm because it will for sure mutilate this word.=
Sorry no other ideas (except removing the word {pastu} that has = 29 occurrencies in the corpus).


Pierre
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I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.

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