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On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 11:57:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:23:07 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 13:18:28 Craig Daniel wrote: 
>> > Buckwheat is not a grain, yet soba is still a type of noodle. 
>>
>> It's a norgru, so I'd still call soba "grusko". Or it could be "xubysko", 
>> unless there's some other kind of string made from xruba. 
>>
>> > Fettuccine are not cylindrical, but they're definitely a noodle as 
>> well. 
>>
>> I'd call them "grusri" or "nabysri". 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:50:56 Robin Lee Powell wrote: 
>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:47:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: 
>> > > I'm still behind {pasta}. I'd be hard pressed to find a better 
>> > > word than that. 
>> > 
>> > I would want to know where that word originated, how long it's been 
>> > aronud, what other words have been around longer, etc., before 
>> > simply importing a word from English. 
>>
>> The word is from Latin from Ancient Greek and exists in all of the source 
>> languages except Chinese (in which the word is "mein" or "mian" depending 
>> on 
>> how you transliterate the dialects). (Quick Wiktionary check.) I've seen 
>> it 
>> used in Portuguese for a small briefcase, and the primary meaning in 
>> Russian 
>> is "paste" (which is likewise from Latin "pasta"), but it is also used 
>> for 
>> "pasta" in Russian. 
>>
>
> In Mandarin it's just "Italian noodles".
> In Russian it's usually  "makarony".
>
> I won't run the algorithm because it will for sure mutilate this word.
> Sorry no other ideas (except removing the word {pastu} that has 29 
> occurrencies in the corpus).
>

1. mien 0.347 pasta 0.196 pasta 0.160 pastas 0.123 makaron 0.089 baasta 
0.085
Top score is 0.4911.
 smita stena mista

2. mien 0.347 pasta 0.196 pasta 0.160 pastas 0.123 pasta 0.089 baasta 0.085
Top score is 0.5445.
 smita stena mista


3. Running gleki's 12-language algorithm
mien 0.246117399315609 pasta 0.213872071597789 pasta 0.094630165833114 
baasta 0.090023690444854 pasta 0.084890760726507 pasta 0.05672545406686 
pasta 0.051855751513556 massa 0.048828639115557 pasuta 0.03224532771782 
nudeln 0.027375625164517 pat 0.024743353514083
Top score is 0.522128630341318.
 patsa

As we can see 12 language combine their efforts to defeat Chinese "mien". 
But {patsa} looks so weird.

In Loglan it was {patmi} - (1n) [B-] B is some dough/pasta or food made 
from same, i.e. noodles, spaghetti, pastry, pie crust, etc.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:pasta <-- this suggests "noodles" 
as a synonym which is decsribed here http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noodle

So may be just  {nudle} ?

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<br><br>On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 11:57:10 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11=
:23:07 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 13:18:28 Craig Daniel wrote:
<br>&gt; Buckwheat is not a grain, yet soba is still a type of noodle.
<br>
<br>It's a norgru, so I'd still call soba "grusko". Or it could be "xubysko=
",=20
<br>unless there's some other kind of string made from xruba.
<br>
<br>&gt; Fettuccine are not cylindrical, but they're definitely a noodle as=
 well.
<br>
<br>I'd call them "grusri" or "nabysri".
<br>
<br>On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:50:56 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
<br>&gt; On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:47:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
<br>&gt; &gt; I'm still behind {pasta}. I'd be hard pressed to find a bette=
r
<br>&gt; &gt; word than that.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; I would want to know where that word originated, how long it's bee=
n
<br>&gt; aronud, what other words have been around longer, etc., before
<br>&gt; simply importing a word from English.
<br>
<br>The word is from Latin from Ancient Greek and exists in all of the sour=
ce=20
<br>languages except Chinese (in which the word is "mein" or "mian" dependi=
ng on=20
<br>how you transliterate the dialects). (Quick Wiktionary check.) I've see=
n it=20
<br>used in Portuguese for a small briefcase, and the primary meaning in Ru=
ssian=20
<br>is "paste" (which is likewise from Latin "pasta"), but it is also used =
for=20
<br>"pasta" in Russian.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In Mandarin it's just "Italian noodles=
".</div><div>In Russian it's usually &nbsp;"makarony".</div><div><br></div>=
<div>I won't run the algorithm because it will for sure mutilate this word.=
</div><div>Sorry no other ideas (except removing the word {pastu} that has =
29 occurrencies in the corpus).</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1. mi=
en 0.347 pasta 0.196 pasta 0.160 pastas 0.123 makaron 0.089 baasta 0.085<br=
></div><div><div>Top score is 0.4911.</div><div>&nbsp;smita stena mista</di=
v></div><div><br></div><div>2. mien 0.347 pasta 0.196 pasta 0.160 pastas 0.=
123 pasta 0.089 baasta 0.085<br></div><div><div>Top score is 0.5445.</div><=
div>&nbsp;smita stena mista</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>3=
. Running gleki's 12-language algorithm</div><div>mien 0.246117399315609 pa=
sta 0.213872071597789 pasta 0.094630165833114 baasta 0.090023690444854 past=
a 0.084890760726507 pasta 0.05672545406686 pasta 0.051855751513556 massa 0.=
048828639115557 pasuta 0.03224532771782 nudeln 0.027375625164517 pat 0.0247=
43353514083<br></div><div><div>Top score is 0.522128630341318.</div><div>&n=
bsp;patsa</div></div><div><br></div><div>As we can see 12 language combine =
their efforts to defeat Chinese "mien". But {patsa} looks so weird.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>In Loglan it was {patmi} - (1n) [B-] B is some dough/past=
a or food made from same, i.e. noodles, spaghetti, pastry, pie crust, etc.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:pasta &lt=
;-- this suggests "noodles" as a synonym which is decsribed here&nbsp;http:=
//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noodle<br></div><div><br></div><div>So may be just=
 &nbsp;{nudle} ?</div>

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