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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk5si406991pbc.0.2013.05.01.03.54.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2013 03:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXUft-0003Tb-Ux for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 01 May 2013 03:54:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 03:54:13 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Robin does the xorban (was Re: [lojban] Baby Words: "you're right" and orders.) Message-ID: <20130501105413.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20130429163424.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <517EA2D8.4000206@gmx.de> <20130430195657.GM10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <17c5855e-538c-41bd-b1d9-ce5fc57fe533@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17c5855e-538c-41bd-b1d9-ce5fc57fe533@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:43:14AM -0700, la gleki wrote: > > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:56:57 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 06:42:00PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > > > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > > > >1. How would you mark a {ko} that's an order? I use {e'o} for > > > >requests. For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but > > > >it's a tad unsatisfying. > > > > > > The currently proposed BPFK meaning for {.e'i} is just that. > > > {.e'i} becomes an irrealis attitudinal marking a command/order. > > > Although this may seem like a big change to definition of the > > > word, it seems to be the only way to express orders of this kind, > > > so: > > > > > > {.e'i do na broda} > > > > > > I'm not sure I am 100% behind this definition, but the above > > > argument speaks for it. > > > > Given the incredibly tiny usage of {.e'i} according to the corpus > > application (250 uses on IRC, and essentially none elsewhere, > > especially if you ignore xorxes' usages since this was his > > tinkering), I've decided that my household dialect will, in fact, > > use {.e'i} as a command imperative. > > > > who has approved of it: > 1.camgusmis > 2.gleki > > who is against it: > 1. There are many people who would have been against it back in the day, but the only one I know who is still active is Arnt. -Robin -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.