Received: from mail-da0-f60.google.com ([209.85.210.60]:58760) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXVz7-0005DR-NK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:14 -0700 Received: by mail-da0-f60.google.com with SMTP id r28sf472177daj.15 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=LXHv8NmodvQy/AiWLjk+8ExtYY6DLnVi+ojO4mKqups=; b=IEAV6svg8TZNyZcCCbhy8rtUyDJXo0M3BUQCgP9lD0NXRU/TODe1uhrxsj+5QKLXXR l3GOIl1TWot0fWZr0egbSuHAXOPEejJahAu2O028NUIwBbugR/OEOkBvJ6Jd2+ACt+NS ztvXvjTOY2uhIR6NS8uoCSRtBzJWfgeV+B8BNN33/rmCwQdrsutB8okS96X0zLVQMo73 54ZS4CVHkclZdXRPG9F5eVzq2Wq8n/xgaHXcPNGdrLKXboe5vLn399iE/nr6Q/RQFkjt TCaTAD8dK8HymSL5tot5ftaft2ksBWNvjrYTj7ImHNK+Ep0r+3ec33WQoJuL5UIDRdEP v0oQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=LXHv8NmodvQy/AiWLjk+8ExtYY6DLnVi+ojO4mKqups=; b=Ya7xdzUJUufZPN9RDElVv7/ga5sEZB+a/Z+zTeXqatHPS3TIMKU4VoZVa4Et0zZU/H tG82vdKVTZynck5068IaC85dkQLjo/j6T8Pfk7Pn8BLj/uzPQU8NbLacNmeOLE9v3kMV frnKpyE6nJlKMxqvlcojklw5fLgmdtcsa9F6cAaUDwI/5OngXIPut770CvFvrQ3RrR9O yEc0STPUhC/5UCrtoCFj5oZo6IP1tGV0xi2Nc9nXShOPEglafFIFi3Vv0lht4irWMhTq YXMCiaAhK4QQlKg8vc05bx41WOvEPX3gS+eDmKBUQmhwX5Zi2TwvhsYCjacwmASDUetw ud6Q== X-Received: by 10.50.170.68 with SMTP id ak4mr2555986igc.1.1367410683354; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.132.34 with SMTP id or2ls1023093igb.13.gmail; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.183.164 with SMTP id en4mr20255006igc.2.1367410682318; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x230.google.com (mail-ob0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h11si1107646igt.0.2013.05.01.05.18.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230; Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id wd20so1232726obb.35 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.146.131 with SMTP id tc3mr602128oeb.29.1367410682027; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.106.101 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 05:18:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7a66a7f2-4f60-434f-82e5-8de0f47c6e90@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 08:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: what {me lo broda ku} means and why not allow {selbri NOI} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d5856f6e78d04dba71b7e X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b5d5856f6e78d04dba71b7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jacob Errington: > Regardless of these transformations, I have to admit that using selbri-NOI > like this is *weird* in cases where the selbri isn't a noun-type selbri > (having a definition of {x1 is a ...}) Such thinking in itself is (AFAIC) malrarbau. There really are no such things as "noun-type" selbri. Or, conversely, all selbri are "noun-type". Name one that isn't. Any selbri that can take a LE in front of it (i.e. all of them) is noun-type. Please tell me any that aren't. I've long advocated for selbri+NOI, and I don't think it should be that difficult. I see them as ko'a broda NOI brode -> ko'a me lo broda NOI brode me'u --gejyspa > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b5d5856f6e78d04dba71b7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jacob Errington:
Regardless of these tra= nsformations, I have to admit that using selbri-NOI like this is *weird* in= cases where the selbri isn't a noun-type selbri (having a definition o= f {x1 is a <something> ...})

=A0 Such thinking in itself is (AFAIC) =A0malrarbau. =A0There really are= no such things as "noun-type" selbri. =A0Or, conversely, all sel= bri are "noun-type". =A0Name one that isn't. Any selbri that = can take a LE in front of it (i.e. all of them) is noun-type. =A0Please tel= l me any that aren't. =A0 I've long advocated for selbri+NOI, and I= don't think it should be that difficult. =A0I see them as ko'a bro= da NOI brode -> ko'a me lo broda NOI brode me'u=A0
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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