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Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 09:37:10 -0500
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 Content preview:  Well, standard among those who care about such things (the
    logic that keeps creeping in despite the best efforts of speakers and word
    makers). Sent from my iPad On May 1, 2013, at 2:08, "Bob LeChevalier, President
    and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: [...] 
 
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Well, standard among those who care about such things (the logic that keeps creeping in despite the best efforts of speakers and word makers).

Sent from my iPad

On May 1, 2013, at 2:08, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

> John E Clifford wrote:
>> Well, the "standard semantics" of Lojban makes the referents of all 'lo
>> broda' expressions things in the operant sense,  "the salient node in
>> the upward semilattice on the extension of {broda} under jest )
>> (part-whole)", so anything between all the brodas and a microscopic
>> speck of broda goo, as the case requires.
> 
> Since when does Lojban have a standard semantics?  Not while I worked on the design - I knew (and still know) that I have too little understanding of semantics to standardize anything.
> 
> I tried at times to come up with rules of thumb useful for English speakers learning Lojban (i.e translation strategies), but I don't think I ever codified any of them, and certainly never made them part of the language definition.
> 
>> The Nootka experience is directly relevant here, since what you got from
>> sentences were, in Lojban, merely complex selbri, not bridi at all for
>> lack of a sumti.  Nootka is apparently a property or process language
>> which can express complete sentences without a reference to things.
> 
> The example I worked from, mentioned in some article, was in fact a sentence expressed as a single word, presumably a brivla in Lojban terms, so that was how I tried to translate it.
> 
> If Nootka is indeed a property language, then probably other languages from the same family are, as well.  I think that was Pacific Northwest Amerind - no idea what other languages are related.
> 
> lojbab
> 
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> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
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