Received: from mail-ye0-f190.google.com ([209.85.213.190]:39834) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXtWU-0003IC-Oh for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:23 -0700 Received: by mail-ye0-f190.google.com with SMTP id q5sf181172yen.27 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OelqDqwheOFaRC063emal5zKXsmCNwK/35ylzKKHMng=; b=q2tNEXT7h4V3y1QFlxZAiRCp5fEpD52pcb/hEcyHdRvWTD6PqmSCLTMiN4ikKxjSvJ bUNtyGmLodlAQHzL6NNpbexP4ta949/X29mirS5itcyJN10gHO4EbEAXP/of7WecaUlT gFaCTOKgO/ws05O8yRFQqfBv7+cgBpyVfuyaKLO7sKUe/0qEGajDZnDX7ifLaKJiRs/I 91N8m8Tl2tm72wOPRHi4w2FjbR+PcsKs6k96ahRUK1CygBMO15QWdekUUSw0926fLmiJ GXPDUhq23hv3HMi93wCRYmjRUEtUBev7w9X0vsug7b6IBeFj1ME5MkWcVeVShAVpzNPL DxSQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OelqDqwheOFaRC063emal5zKXsmCNwK/35ylzKKHMng=; b=OlHYTXO/84TFM4BdyJZ1oVuPPx0e4jltJTDg8zLXVr/EuIf9zHLIZSRBvIJbjzjB6d sMkxNzqyYf/ehmUTQ+sbqaqt4YH00AjQFtHawRTxYW4OambeSEhufxjaYyi0flMl2Fye 0DZ4bEU0k/M5WZUhJe6PntKQcMtxy594p4gdhwXIcnaR90Ipkqo9XDYKA7jBXcwaFCJF ZgRhk6qJnL1ZBhdLzDS5YA+QV8w9L5hkLt9BU+ZY1CJUC8sZYG4aMYSnUedB+s1ZP3wO 3gof2dUaiSPR28qVWU+jl0+y7bfKg2/pNhX+cW5a31wffp2gHv+9gpONEsAeqDVEQwjh 9a4A== X-Received: by 10.182.29.8 with SMTP id f8mr68393obh.39.1367501164557; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.93.33 with SMTP id cr1ls1793399igb.21.gmail; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.152.199 with SMTP id j7mr6608032icw.2.1367501163523; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x22c.google.com (mail-ia0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b19si516153igd.3.2013.05.02.06.26.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22c; Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id i20so455101ian.17 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.147.100 with SMTP id tj4mr6874615igb.19.1367501163414; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.102.74 with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list) From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a03b4134d3204dbbc2d46 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e013a03b4134d3204dbbc2d46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:44 AM, la gleki wrote: > {lo pu me mi ku}, no? Again the same issue? > That's not just the same issue, it's really the same thing, but phrased more precisely: "that which was "me"". But when we say "I did something", it's {mi pu ...}. This is the same {mi}, so {lo pu me mi ku} is just {mi}. I started writing some about the philosophical/language design issues here but ran out of time; I'll add to this later. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e013a03b4134d3204dbbc2d46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:4= 4 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
{lo pu me mi ku}, no? Again the same issue?
Th= at's not just the same issue, it's really the same thing, but phras= ed more precisely: "that which was "me"". But=20 when we say "I did something", it's {mi pu ...}. This is the = same {mi},=20 so {lo pu me mi ku} is just {mi}. I started writing some about the philosop= hical/language design issues here but ran out of time; I'll add to this= later.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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