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Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 11:32:39 -0400
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:32 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Think of 'mi' as in the same class as 'lo' phrases, "the salient ...".
> Otherwise you will  get into all manner of paradoxes (as old as philosophy,
> for the most part) of no practical value.
>
Even claiming that doing so makes sense is a rather fundamental
philosophical claim, namely that things like people can even be understood
as being time-local in the first place. Still, this begs the question of
what it means to be, say, {lo ca me mi ku}. If {mi} can be time-nonlocal in
some contexts and time-local in others, then is {lo ca me mi ku} local or
nonlocal? If this depends on context, how does one indicate that it is one
or the other?

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, May 2, 2013 at 9:32 AM, John E Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Think of &#39;mi&#39; as=
 in the same class as &#39;lo&#39; phrases, &quot;the salient ...&quot;.=A0=
 Otherwise you will=A0 get into all manner of paradoxes (as old as philosop=
hy, for the most part) of no practical value.=A0 </span></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div>Even claiming that doing so makes sense is a =
rather fundamental philosophical claim, namely that things like people can =
even be understood as being time-local in the first place. Still, this begs=
 the question of what it means to be, say, {lo ca me mi ku}. If {mi} can be=
 time-nonlocal in some contexts and time-local in others, then is {lo ca me=
 mi ku} local or nonlocal? If this depends on context, how does one indicat=
e that it is one or the other? <br>
<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

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