Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu?
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On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:07:29 PM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:
>
> selpa'i wrote: 
> > The title basically says it all. I would like to have a gismu for 
> > "noodle", as noodles are everywhere! Please don't suggest {grusko}; 
> > noodles come in all shapes and needn't be made from {gurni}. 
> > 
> > What do you call a fake noodle? 
>
> I've stayed out of this thread hoping that the obvious question would be 
> raised: 
>
> Can you or someone give a definition of a "noodle", making it clear what 
> is and is not to be considered? 
>
> Here is what mw.com has 
> > Definition of NOODLE 
> > : a food paste made usually with egg and shaped typically in ribbon form 
>
> which definition so obviously reflects a Lojban tanru, that it is 
> impossible to see it as a language "primitive" (the word JCB used for 
> "gismu", which I abandoned because of its polysemy). 13 words with 4 
> gismu among them. 
>
> djapexsri, though probably pexsri would be sufficient, and potentially 
> broadly productive even outside of the food realm; Lojban words do not 
> need to be 100% synonymous with English ones, and the few examples I can 
> imagine for a non-food being described as pexsri would probably be just 
> as clear as a tanru based on "noodle", and there likewise should be 
> little confusion with paste-like ribbons that are not "pasta" in English 
> (cake decorations, maybe?).  One could mention the egg as well, but it 
> seems even less necessary. 
>
> I note in passing that ALL of the variant meanings for "noodle" that are 
> listed in mw.com have NOTHING to do with this base meaning, or even any 
> of those 4 gismu.  In English, "noodle" is not a productive root. 
>
> And for those who bother to look up the word "pasta", you will find that 
> it means precisely "pesxu", though "djapesxu" would more probably 
> reflect its normal usage, as described in the encyclopediac definition. 
>
> (I'll note in passing that we actually did consider the question of 
> "pasta" when creating the gismu list, with pesxu being determined as the 
> solution.  Indeed, pasta should probably have been added to the set of 
> synonyms in the definition.) 
>

ra'u mi kanpe lo nu lo pesxu ka'e cidja po'onai vau je'u peiru'e

well, i guess pesxu can be not only a food?

 
>
> lojbab 
> -- 
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> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 
>
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<br><br>On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:07:29 PM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">selpa'i wrote:
<br>&gt; The title basically says it all. I would like to have a gismu for
<br>&gt; "noodle", as noodles are everywhere! Please don't suggest {grusko}=
;
<br>&gt; noodles come in all shapes and needn't be made from {gurni}.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; What do you call a fake noodle?
<br>
<br>I've stayed out of this thread hoping that the obvious question would b=
e=20
<br>raised:
<br>
<br>Can you or someone give a definition of a "noodle", making it clear wha=
t=20
<br>is and is not to be considered?
<br>
<br>Here is what <a href=3D"http://mw.com" target=3D"_blank">mw.com</a> has
<br>&gt; Definition of NOODLE
<br>&gt; : a food paste made usually with egg and shaped typically in ribbo=
n form
<br>
<br>which definition so obviously reflects a Lojban tanru, that it is=20
<br>impossible to see it as a language "primitive" (the word JCB used for=
=20
<br>"gismu", which I abandoned because of its polysemy). 13 words with 4=20
<br>gismu among them.
<br>
<br>djapexsri, though probably pexsri would be sufficient, and potentially=
=20
<br>broadly productive even outside of the food realm; Lojban words do not=
=20
<br>need to be 100% synonymous with English ones, and the few examples I ca=
n=20
<br>imagine for a non-food being described as pexsri would probably be just=
=20
<br>as clear as a tanru based on "noodle", and there likewise should be=20
<br>little confusion with paste-like ribbons that are not "pasta" in Englis=
h=20
<br>(cake decorations, maybe?). &nbsp;One could mention the egg as well, bu=
t it=20
<br>seems even less necessary.
<br>
<br>I note in passing that ALL of the variant meanings for "noodle" that ar=
e=20
<br>listed in <a href=3D"http://mw.com" target=3D"_blank">mw.com</a> have N=
OTHING to do with this base meaning, or even any=20
<br>of those 4 gismu. &nbsp;In English, "noodle" is not a productive root.
<br>
<br>And for those who bother to look up the word "pasta", you will find tha=
t=20
<br>it means precisely "pesxu", though "djapesxu" would more probably=20
<br>reflect its normal usage, as described in the encyclopediac definition.
<br>
<br>(I'll note in passing that we actually did consider the question of=20
<br>"pasta" when creating the gismu list, with pesxu being determined as th=
e=20
<br>solution. &nbsp;Indeed, pasta should probably have been added to the se=
t of=20
<br>synonyms in the definition.)
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ra'u mi kanpe lo nu lo pesxu ka'e cidj=
a po'onai vau je'u peiru'e</div><div><br></div><div>well, i guess pesxu can=
 be not only a food?</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>lojbab
<br>--=20
<br>Bob LeChevalier &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" =
gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"_GWf0uXnE6QJ">loj...@lojban.org</a> &nbsp; &nbsp;<=
a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">www.lojban.org</a>
<br>President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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