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On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:32:03PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier, President
and Founder - LLG wrote:
> .arpis. wrote:
> >Are constraint (e'i) and obligation (ei) such different concepts
> >that we want two separate short words for them, especially at the
> >expense of having a short way to be explicit about commands?
> 
> They certainly are different emotionally, 

I disagree.

> I do many things out of a feeling of obligation that I do not in
> fact feel constrained/compelled to do.

Then our definitions of those words differ.

> More importantly, a command is not really an emotional affect.

I *utterly* disagree.  When I'm yelling at my child to do something,
"you must do this thing" is an emotional affect.

> Perhaps "feeling in authority" would be an emotional affect that
> might mark something as a command, but that is probably the ga'i
> that Robin found unsatisfying (per his original post on the
> topic). koga'i would seem to me to mean "do it, because >I< said
> so".

Yeah, that's what I was going for.

> Myself, I've always considered that an unmarked ko is a command,
> which is where ".e'osai ko sarji" originated from - without it, I am
> commanding the listener to support Lojban, which is an unseemly sort
> of thing to command.  

Interesting.

> Wanting to emphasize the command nature, perhaps for
> immediacy/intensity, I might mark the ko itself with cai (which
> conveniently, not by design, happens to be similar in sound to
> "ca" for "now"), but none of the indicators.

Also very interesting, due to an unrelated discussion about using
CAI to mark random words in the language.

-Robin

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