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Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 16:13:18 -0700
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu?
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On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 06:59:09PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier,
> >President and Founder - LLG wrote:
> >>
> >>I've stayed out of this thread hoping that the obvious question
> >>would be raised:
> >>
> >>Can you or someone give a definition of a "noodle", making it
> >>clear what is and is not to be considered?
> >>
> >>Here is what mw.com has
> >>>Definition of NOODLE
> >>>
> >>>: a food paste made usually with egg and shaped typically in
> >>>ribbon form
> >
> >*Why* do people keep talking about {pesxu}?  My noodles are *not*
> >a paste!
> 
> But pasta IS "paste", by definition, whether your pasta is or not.

The spaggheti I buy is not a paste.  When I cook it, it is not
paste.  When I eat it, it is not paste.

Seriously, what are you talking about?

> Your noodles are predominantly some kind of dasri, made of egg and
> flour paste.

*made of*, yes, but they are not themselves paste when I eat them,
which is the state I care about.

> >They may have been once upon a time, but I don't describe cake as
> >"a goo of milk, grain and eggs"!
> 
> "Cake" is an English word for a form often made from such goo
> (tapla in lojban).  And it need not be edible - a cake of soap
> being an English example.  

I meant
http://pieceloveandchocolate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cake1.jpg
, which was, in fact, a goo at some point in its creation.

> Again, it isn't inherent to the concept of "cake" that it is
> edible, any more than "pasta".  You can add cidja into the tanru
> if it is important.
> 
> Of course, you may mean by cake "titnanba" which Americans call
> cake. 

{titnanba} is perfectly reasonable, yes.

> While the obvious English word for that concept actually
> refers a particular kind of canti.  As distinguished from the
> literal translation for titrectu, which is grute joi sakta
> 
> Do we insist that Lojban words divide the world up as
> nonsensically as English words do?

Of course not, but that wasn't my point.  I want to talk about the
things I'm actually eating, not what they used to be at an arbitrary
time during their creation process.  Spaghetti noodles are not
paste.  Ravioli are not paste.  Lasagna is not (usually) paste.
Fettucini is not paste.

-Robin

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