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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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By context, as it says.=A0 Remember, we are not talking about=A0 the thing,=
 but about how we talk about the thing.=A0 I am what I am, but it is someti=
mes useful to talk about temporally delimited chunks of me (as it were, may=
be clusters) and sometimes as the perduring me throughout time.=A0 The nice=
 thing about 'lo' is that it covers all options, down to temporo-spatial mi=
nute bits of me, and selects the relevant one.


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 From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beg=
inners list)
=20


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:32 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:

Think of 'mi' as in the same class as 'lo' phrases, "the salient ...".=A0 O=
therwise you will=A0 get into all manner of paradoxes (as old as philosophy=
, for the most part) of no practical value.=A0=20
Even claiming that doing so makes sense is a rather fundamental philosophic=
al claim, namely that things like people can even be understood as being ti=
me-local in the first place. Still, this begs the question of what it means=
 to be, say, {lo ca me mi ku}. If {mi} can be time-nonlocal in some context=
s and time-local in others, then is {lo ca me mi ku} local or nonlocal? If =
this depends on context, how does one indicate that it is one or the other?=
=20


mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>By context=
, as it says.&nbsp; Remember, we are not talking about&nbsp; the thing, but=
 about how we talk about the thing.&nbsp; I am what I am, but it is sometim=
es useful to talk about temporally delimited chunks of me (as it were, mayb=
e clusters) and sometimes as the perduring me throughout time.&nbsp; The ni=
ce thing about 'lo' is that it covers all options, down to temporo-spatial =
minute bits of me, and selects the relevant one.<br></span></div><div><br><=
/div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, ti=
mes, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font fac=
e=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></=
b> Ian Johnson &lt;blindbravado@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-we=
ight:
 bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 2, 2013 10:32 AM<br> <b><span=
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Time-(non)lo=
cal sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)<br> </font> </div> <d=
iv class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
<div id=3D"yiv494209352"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv494209352gmail_e=
xtra"><div class=3D"yiv494209352gmail_quote">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:32 AM=
, John E Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.=
com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv494209352gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><div><span>Think o=
f 'mi' as in the same class as 'lo' phrases, "the salient ...".&nbsp; Other=
wise you will&nbsp; get into all manner of paradoxes (as old as philosophy,=
 for the most part) of no practical value.&nbsp; </span></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div>Even claiming that doing so makes sense is a =
rather fundamental philosophical claim, namely that things like people can =
even be understood as being time-local in the first place. Still, this begs=
 the question of what it means to be, say, {lo ca me mi ku}. If {mi} can be=
 time-nonlocal in some contexts and time-local in others, then is {lo ca me=
 mi ku} local or nonlocal? If this depends on context, how does one indicat=
e that it is one or the other? <br>
<br></div><div>mi'e la latro'a mu'o<br></div></div></div></div>


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