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 Content preview:  But you seem to have answered this question. As xorxes notes,
    our formula 'lo ca me mi' or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented
    mi, 'mi' alone leaves the matter open. So how do we speak of the perduring
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But you seem to have answered this question.=A0 As xorxes notes, our formul=
a 'lo ca me mi' or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented mi, '=
mi' alone leaves the matter open.=A0 So how do we speak of the perduring mi=
?


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To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beg=
inners list)
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:

By context, as it says.=A0 Remember, we are not talking about=A0 the thing,=
 but about how we talk about the thing.=A0 I am what I am, but it is someti=
mes useful to talk about temporally delimited chunks of me (as it were, may=
be clusters) and sometimes as the perduring me throughout time.=A0 The nice=
 thing about 'lo' is that it covers all options, down to temporo-spatial mi=
nute bits of me, and selects the relevant one.
The speaker !=3D context. Context can indicate something, but my question w=
as about how the speaker can be explicit about it. That {lo} can zip around=
 is great, but we should be able to boss it around, too.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o=A0

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>But you se=
em to have answered this question.&nbsp; As xorxes notes, our formula 'lo c=
a me mi' or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented mi, 'mi' alo=
ne leaves the matter open.&nbsp; So how do we speak of the perduring mi?<br=
></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, =
new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times=
 new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <h=
r size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold;">From:</span></b> Ian Johnson &lt;blindbravado@gmail.com&gt;<br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com=
 <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May =
2, 2013 9:08 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></=
b> Re: [lojban]
 Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)<br> </fo=
nt> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
<div id=3D"yiv2088486556"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, =
John E Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.co=
m">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"yiv208848655=
6gmail_extra"><div class=3D"yiv2088486556gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"yiv2088486556gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><div><span>By con=
text, as it says.&nbsp; Remember, we are not talking about&nbsp; the thing,=
 but about how we talk about the thing.&nbsp; I am what I am, but it is som=
etimes useful to talk about temporally delimited chunks of me (as it were, =
maybe clusters) and sometimes as the perduring me throughout time.&nbsp; Th=
e nice thing about 'lo' is that it covers all options, down to temporo-spat=
ial minute bits of me, and selects the relevant one.</span></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div style=3D"">The speaker !=3D context. Context =
can indicate something, but my question was about how the speaker can be ex=
plicit about it. That {lo} can zip around is great, but we should be able t=
o boss it around, too.</div>
<div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">mi'e la latro'a mu'o&nbsp;<br></d=
iv></div></div></div>


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