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From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 22:32:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the
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On 2 May 2013 22:23, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

> But you seem to have answered this question.  As xorxes notes, our formula
> 'lo ca me mi' or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented mi,
> 'mi' alone leaves the matter open.  So how do we speak of the perduring mi?
>
>
I'd say that 'mi' alone is the perduring mi, and that {lo me mi} is roughly
equivalent to it (minus lo's ability to retrieve only salient referents /
not-quite-referents, i.e. me-mi goo). Tacking extra specifications onto lo
me mi is what gets at particular, time-local referents.

On a philosophical level, I'm not too fond of the idea of time-locally
delimited sumti, and I've always found ways to rephrase. A longlasting
problem was "I'm better at swimming than I used to be," which, rather than
with {zmadu}, I translate with {ba'o zenba}.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 2 May 2013 22:23, John E Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">kali9putra@yahoo=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>But you seem to have ans=
wered this question.=A0 As xorxes notes, our formula &#39;lo ca me mi&#39; =
or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented mi, &#39;mi&#39; alon=
e leaves the matter open.=A0 So how do we speak of the perduring mi?<br>

</span></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div st=
yle>I&#39;d say that &#39;mi&#39; alone is the perduring mi, and that {lo m=
e mi} is roughly equivalent to it (minus lo&#39;s ability to retrieve only =
salient referents / not-quite-referents, i.e. me-mi goo). Tacking extra spe=
cifications onto lo me mi is what gets at particular, time-local referents.=
</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>On a philosophical level, I&#39;m not too f=
ond of the idea of time-locally delimited sumti, and I&#39;ve always found =
ways to rephrase. A longlasting problem was &quot;I&#39;m better at swimmin=
g than I used to be,&quot; which, rather than with {zmadu}, I translate wit=
h {ba&#39;o zenba}.</div>

</div></div></div>

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