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Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:56:16 -0700 (PDT)
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A narrow view in several ways; anything that once is always is thereafter i=
n some sense (maybe including souls), certainly one that {ze'e} can support=
.=A0=20


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To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>{lo ze'e me mi}?
>But is there one of those?

I'd say that depends on your definition of what "me" is. If you think the i=
ndividual is the enduring soul, which never ceases to exist, then yes.


Of course this requires you to believe there is a soul.


If you believe that an individual is only that person while alive, then no,=
 so you'd have to say "the whole /lifetime/" instead of "the whole of time"=
.


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>A narrow v=
iew in several ways; anything that once is always is thereafter in some sen=
se (maybe including souls), certainly one that {ze'e} can support.&nbsp; <b=
r></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,=
 new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: time=
s new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <=
hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght:bold;">From:</span></b> Jonathan Jones &lt;eyeonus@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b=
><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com =
<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 2=
, 2013 9:34 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b=
> Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners =
list)<br>
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<div id=3D"yiv64922166"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_ext=
ra"><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_quote">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:31 PM, I=
an Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:blin=
dbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com=
">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"y=
iv64922166im">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_extra"><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_=
quote"><div class=3D"yiv64922166im">
<blockquote class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">{lo ze'e me mi}=
?</div></blockquote></div><div>But is there one of those?</div></div></div>=
</div></blockquote>
</div><br></div><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_extra">I'd say that depends =
on your definition of what "me" is. If you think the individual is the endu=
ring soul, which never ceases to exist, then yes.<br><br></div><div class=
=3D"yiv64922166gmail_extra">
Of course this requires you to believe there is a soul.<br><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv64922166gmail_extra">If you believe that an individual is only t=
hat person while alive, then no, so you'd have to say "the whole /lifetime/=
" instead of "the whole of time".<br clear=3D"all">
</div><div class=3D"yiv64922166gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aionys.<b=
r><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<=
br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</div></div>


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