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Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>>> *Why* do people keep talking about {pesxu}?  My noodles are *not*
>>> a paste!
>>
>> But pasta IS "paste", by definition, whether your pasta is or not.
>
> The spaggheti I buy is not a paste.  When I cook it, it is not
> paste.  When I eat it, it is not paste.

The (English) dictionary says otherwise.

You might argue that the definition that I gave pesxu too strongly 
indicates the texture/moistness and thus cannot be applied to the dried 
form, but the English word paste (and pasta) can be dry or moist.

I even checked and the adjective form "pasty" doesn't refer to the 
texture or moistness.

> Seriously, what are you talking about?
>
>> Your noodles are predominantly some kind of dasri, made of egg and
>> flour paste.
>
> *made of*, yes, but they are not themselves paste when I eat them,
> which is the state I care about.

Sorry, but the dictionary disagrees.

>> Of course, you may mean by cake "titnanba" which Americans call
>> cake.
>
> {titnanba} is perfectly reasonable, yes.

One of the earliest lujvo made in Lojban.

>> While the obvious English word for that concept actually
>> refers a particular kind of canti.  As distinguished from the
>> literal translation for titrectu, which is grute joi sakta
>>
>> Do we insist that Lojban words divide the world up as
>> nonsensically as English words do?
>
> Of course not, but that wasn't my point.  I want to talk about the
> things I'm actually eating, not what they used to be at an arbitrary
> time during their creation process.  Spaghetti noodles are not
> paste.  Ravioli are not paste.  Lasagna is not (usually) paste.
> Fettucini is not paste.

Sorry, but the dictionary disagrees.

lojbab

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