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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sure, but the SWH says at least that the ongoing unit is the "natural" first choice. The fact that the language allows other choices cuts into strong forms of S wH. 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Sent from my iPad On May 2, 2013, at 22:31, Ian Johnson wrote: > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > SAE strikes again. > Surely SAE has ideas like "my previous self" and such in addition to property variations? > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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Sure, but the SWH says at= least that the ongoing unit is the "natural" first choice.  The fact = that the language allows other choices cuts into strong forms of S wH.

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On May 2, 2013, at 22:31, Ian Joh= nson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putr= a@yahoo.com> wrote:
SAE strikes ag= ain.
Surely SAE has ideas like "my = previous self" and such in addition to property variations?

mi'e la latro'a mu'o 

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