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[212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d43si2858554eeu.1.2013.05.03.07.10.40 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.34]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lgszg-1UCjRu2Kd4-00oDkO for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 16:10:40 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 May 2013 14:10:40 -0000 Received: from p5DDC4949.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.73.73] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 03 May 2013 16:10:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Bjuk3vzQBbgvDkG1LkKqjFVyvKthfN+FurYkSzh pyxoerKmSiXLKB Message-ID: <5183C55F.6070000@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 16:10:39 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: What is official? (Was: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu?) References: <517FF873.9080706@gmx.de> <51829D51.2010001@lojban.org> <78ce4d32-8ea6-4553-b18c-15f66e081c89@googlegroups.com> <5182EAAC.1070100@lojban.org> <51837EB0.5050800@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <51837EB0.5050800@lojban.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e > Ian Johnson wrote: >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - >> LLG >> >> kanpe ki'a >> >> {kanpe} is a (the?) BPFK-recognized experimental gismu, > > Never heard of it. > > BPFK hasn't recognized any experimental gismu, or even the possibility > of experimental gismu. There hasn't even been a procedure defined for > doing so (nor has the BPFK even been authorized to make changes to the > language other than as necessary to complete the baseline documentation, > though that authorization is foreseen, and the BPFK itself has the power > to decide what is "necessary"). > > The *only* change to the language that BPFK has recognized is xorlo. Does "recognized" mean accepted as official? As far as I can tell, not even xorlo is immune to changes or future no-votes. From the "BPFK Procedures" page: "A poll is attached to the proposal page, where people vote to indicate their approval of the proposal. Voters may change their vote at any time." Anyone who was allowed to vote back then can change their mind and vote no today, so technically, the BPFK has not made any final decisions about anything. Yet, xorlo seems commonly accepted (though not generally liked) and gets described as "official". (The xorlo proposal got changed relatively recently, in December 2011.) I think it's problematic to cling to a baseline that is over a decade old. Lojban has evolved considerably in the meantime, and doing it this way, the documentation might never catch up. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.