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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gi6si2754624pbc.2.2013.05.04.12.50.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 12:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UYiTd-0008GV-MX for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:50:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:50:37 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu? Message-ID: <20130504195037.GB20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <517FF873.9080706@gmx.de> <51829D51.2010001@lojban.org> <20130502222508.GY10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <5182EFBD.4090509@lojban.org> <20130502231318.GC10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <51838331.8090103@lojban.org> <20130504063953.GF10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20130504063953.GF10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:39:53PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 05:28:17AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier > wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >>>*Why* do people keep talking about {pesxu}? My noodles are > > >>>*not* a paste! > > >> > > >>But pasta IS "paste", by definition, whether your pasta is or > > >>not. > > > > > >The spaggheti I buy is not a paste. When I cook it, it is not > > >paste. When I eat it, it is not paste. > > > > The (English) dictionary says otherwise. > > I don't care. To be slightly more useful: In my dialect, no-one would *ever* point at a bowl of spaggheti or fettucini or tortellini or ravioli and say "Wow, that's some nice paste you've got there". It just ... no. Similarily, no-one would ever point at a metal knife and say "What a great rock!". It is true that pasta was once a paste, and it is true that metal used to be a rock, but in my dialect they are *not* synonyms. If they are in your dialect, well, that's drift, but I'm a native speaker, so we don't actually get to argue about this, merely state the difference and move on. But I think it's far more likely that you're pushing the point for sake of argument, and I'd like you to stop. -Robin -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.