Received: from mail-ye0-f185.google.com ([209.85.213.185]:42300) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UYiVh-0008Hl-9j for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:54 -0700 Received: by mail-ye0-f185.google.com with SMTP id m15sf788799yen.22 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=2qbxH8Kip2J1uwILYx9+D6I+XjKBX3pn7dwCzLjvQTs=; b=RtCYTNLNKdx7CaCbaVS3v8E/c3kT5WrvGcI6BklsnCoGMOyVvDRKf4se7nKCUJ9cpQ Qzq47+d6mF3j7zh650wB8Rml1zT8JXBNhCsN/e0EEelt4ml6KG7QXtchK3Q03yrv4wO7 MYGBn4JzRX2TGbx2HEvz0/113KDEWUZko4cZ4CQfsDDU+Iogc2wWQ3/e+CdLzZp27CVQ mYrZPZWF2Ut3knGDto9kaIAFic+xqJS3t4mUYNMsvZPqUTSGwsB59FeTogP9rNwqphMv vDoom06o54NV1AZ0uq39cFSr4VtBUOyCBUFn4GElTbuuDho9LGqO/oDgLh9+dgFXicfl WT3g== X-Received: by 10.50.43.225 with SMTP id z1mr205940igl.15.1367697158958; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.33.70 with SMTP id p6ls1062945igi.44.canary; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.112.65 with SMTP id io1mr5841865pbb.6.1367697158261; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fn10si2839028pab.1.2013.05.04.12.52.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UYiVZ-0008Hg-Az for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 04 May 2013 12:52:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:52:37 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Robin does the xorban (was Re: [lojban] Baby Words: "you're right" and orders.) Message-ID: <20130504195237.GC20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20130429163424.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <517EA2D8.4000206@gmx.de> <20130430195657.GM10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <17c5855e-538c-41bd-b1d9-ce5fc57fe533@googlegroups.com> <20130501105413.GP10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <51811B75.4030106@lojban.org> <51814383.9040605@lojban.org> <20130502223155.GA10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20130502223155.GA10220@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 03:31:56PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:32:03PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier, > President and Founder - LLG wrote: > > .arpis. wrote: > > >Are constraint (e'i) and obligation (ei) such different > > >concepts that we want two separate short words for them, > > >especially at the expense of having a short way to be explicit > > >about commands? > > > > They certainly are different emotionally, > > I disagree. > > > I do many things out of a feeling of obligation that I do not in > > fact feel constrained/compelled to do. > > Then our definitions of those words differ. I've thought about this more, and I guess I do see an emotional difference between "I should really do the kitchen because RA would like me to do so" and "If I don't get my taxes in, I'm going to jail". So I take it back. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.