Received: from mail-we0-f183.google.com ([74.125.82.183]:54303) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UYm3X-0000r7-LR for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:40:01 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f183.google.com with SMTP id t9sf583913wey.0 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=dzOlqZ7F7ITVd1sFshFQoE251+Cgi9OB+VTJ80nfDF0=; b=Qxj+oG3FnFbqfzVxIFz4htBIrz68iH/rFjj7IFGAzgTtb1o2+d2VZXC8DjEktwKA5W jCUr6SNP1hOfSLZhncTFtaQBB00mjmizGVfdJ+hZo26yPWxvt5u7U0waEtyoQfcxsMCb 0rtT4z/4dm9YVkqbAxaDIn/UNSd1JSqzpuEfyP7kOrcDCvIRUrVxhJibwKV7mLTsKikP 89hgTpFfScd+zxLIcgzsNY5WlKb5yyxfn1bHBevRVnG/MrxOx+VMsY/3kYY2qEkGG80F J/DLHTMCftTOLUlhGjUKchndzoyJ3/pxe0CTUedVlUhWkMed0f890Fv/PtmBpWKikWka UU9A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=dzOlqZ7F7ITVd1sFshFQoE251+Cgi9OB+VTJ80nfDF0=; b=r/nvxSGwG0+bgTzvy3gSRx4mx4YbDqHZHxdJ1JmkXGWrK6zun2B1XK19a+nKxjDXG4 N3zIq+A5ct/KiVaYL2lMw8kIcl8oBzBwICkqnVTGMOnjhFfPaiTbaiVn1oipH04bz0Rj YWH+DgoL3wBZh9/L4URicwUz37QoQylVyRgr5G/f8SdleuA5kDda6Rhm5QWe8vfbLln3 /Ws/AEffDMSc6M6JFsDyGL4Qyk0ldyd3G5W7c+Z1hgj6UJ76JkYD4Flmfd6Peojpuoxw Z+qv8D2lBBBom2I3gSdGLqplyn0v62VBMG9VdilIPAHuNoYbAelulrKmXsM4yDaZmjFd jfig== X-Received: by 10.181.13.106 with SMTP id ex10mr574486wid.0.1367710788197; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.75.240 with SMTP id f16ls486333wiw.35.canary; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.171.69 with SMTP id g5mr11729549bkz.8.1367710787125; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6si1497725bkz.0.2013.05.04.16.39.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id v1so2493305lbd.11 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.75.195 with SMTP id e3mr816530lbw.54.1367710786820; Sat, 04 May 2013 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.146.137 with HTTP; Sat, 4 May 2013 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130504202515.GG20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20130504201243.GE20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <51856E57.2010808@gmx.de> <20130504202515.GG20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands. From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / When I think of this subject about giving commands, the mental image I get is about someone trusting his command will be obeyed. Constraint, agression, or hauteur comes as a sign of someone who has not any significant authority, so some additional force have to be used on the command in order to be obeyed. That's just my very personal take of this about commands. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 10:23:51PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: >> la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e >> >I think {le'o} and {ga'i} between them do what I want, depending >> >on situation. >> >> This would seem to imply that all commands are either expressed >> aggressively or with hauteur, which I personally find doubtful. >> There is a certain force behind a command, but the nature of that >> force needn't correspond to one of those two, in my opinion. >> >> Has {.e'i} fallen out of favor with you again? > > Eeeeenh? Having noticed {le'o}, I simply acknowledged that that was > what I really wanted, in terms of emotional content. I'm on the > fence about {.e'i} (which never stopped being true). > > -Robin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.