Received: from mail-qe0-f56.google.com ([209.85.128.56]:40598) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UYv8v-00030p-Cl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:22:13 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f56.google.com with SMTP id s14sf917250qeb.1 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:21:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eKIihAguPbzJZxpau6zDjnNjjYio6xiCH7pWDoVHS9M=; b=EO2ATUrBgV8ZMUrMBLSHIkZNgA7BaI+44aAp09gdAPe3D2yuGcWCB+FJgvcX2Rphpl 4yG2PnIuu6gfRqpRSijflkL92adM1//Pr0ZoPLeaEi4+6oA5bwngrlj0zrf9bl9pVOSg hCME9h2gcaNnYUFAsbv4y+HYagZurjS56WhzFZ2SpN2tU/Yi4hgSvzKMZosbYpbHsxTl YZnQsyQXX/QThgRCvzGrHpP1HvhFvAcq9WsqyOD4YZwOXOqT8dwgTK8amoRn1jkg/tpf sG7UqnHGwn5DphbZ7qg04MXLRyH3eieoFOVwh3ocSecaYT4aqnbQxF+lwoKmCcC7i5sU gIDA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eKIihAguPbzJZxpau6zDjnNjjYio6xiCH7pWDoVHS9M=; b=w+ftDVPiNod08nnQAEfr0/BuT2okGUqGytH9dIa8QSsB4FVpoyostMqH6pLdPInAWM JKyFFycf/hTanwefS1wMIKXSXWYTsMRKx5KdzUEYTPH6Z3Xc8jwupt/8IXD/O0v3T9by JlLFdCYkVlChzFie/XHKtJ3GlNylI1CfkydAPKLmeHI299wGA05Ra0UittFwOTWM6YRl M70IobLPV9fz1qDeF/jegcCGfRSUWu1sOsfMaLWBmcrg9lABhDtWTo0TsYRc2ElnGpaa /+53fTwyWmI1EUGavxh1LhWzRQM+nc3Wsw2jSjOicV4XLlk9t37FqVNCDuqFixNozf/O xPOQ== X-Received: by 10.49.95.198 with SMTP id dm6mr49698qeb.20.1367745719066; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:21:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.132.165 with SMTP id ov5ls2603113qeb.50.gmail; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.120.40 with SMTP id kz8mr24051qeb.23.1367745716814; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 02:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <93c6c4f3-444a-490a-98c7-c0442f69b536@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20130504202515.GG20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20130504201243.GE20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <51856E57.2010808@gmx.de> <20130504202515.GG20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1645_10961384.1367745716316" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1645_10961384.1367745716316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, May 5, 2013 12:25:19 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote: > > On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 10:23:51PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > > >I think {le'o} and {ga'i} between them do what I want, depending > > >on situation. > > > > This would seem to imply that all commands are either expressed > > aggressively or with hauteur, which I personally find doubtful. > > There is a certain force behind a command, but the nature of that > > force needn't correspond to one of those two, in my opinion. > > > > Has {.e'i} fallen out of favor with you again? > > Eeeeenh? Having noticed {le'o}, I simply acknowledged that that was > what I really wanted, in terms of emotional content. I'm on the > fence about {.e'i} (which never stopped being true). > Don't you feel the difference between I should = mi te javni => .ei and I have to = mi bilga => .e'i ???? > -Robin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_1645_10961384.1367745716316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sunday, May 5, 2013 12:25:19 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 10:23:51PM += 0200, selpa'i wrote:
> la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e
> >I think {le'o} and {ga'i} between them do what I want, dependi= ng
> >on situation.
>=20
> This would seem to imply that all commands are either expressed
> aggressively or with hauteur, which I personally find doubtful.
> There is a certain force behind a command, but the nature of that
> force needn't correspond to one of those two, in my opinion.
>=20
> Has {.e'i} fallen out of favor with you again?

Eeeeenh?  Having noticed {le'o}, I simply acknowledged that that w= as
what I really wanted, in terms of emotional content.  I'm on the
fence about {.e'i} (which never stopped being true).

Don't you feel the difference between<= /div>
I should =3D mi te javni =3D> .ei
and
I ha= ve to =3D mi bilga =3D> .e'i

???? 


-Robin

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