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From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM, John E. Clifford wrote: > That sounds like what at least the recipient would call a demand or bossing or ordering about, all implying that the ordered has no power to command. I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Anyway, I was talking about how the commander feels about giving commands. A command can be given in a very happy mood. Or maybe in a sad or depressive mood. In any of those ways, a commander with real authority trusts his command will be obeyed; he is sure. It may not be given with arrogance, or pride, or trying to give any kind of force to his words. Above all, a commander must be self-confident. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.