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 Content preview:  Oops! "orderer", not "ordered" (autocorrect kicks in at weird
    places). In any case, the point is that the attitude of the one uttering
   the imperative has nothing to do with whether it is a command or not; that
    is an objective power calculation (with some fine print, perhaps). Similarly
    for requests and pleas. Demands are somewhat different, but still not much
    about attitudes, etc. Sent from my iPad [...] 
 
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Oops! "orderer", not "ordered" (autocorrect kicks in at weird places). In a=
ny case, the point is that the attitude of the one uttering the imperative =
has nothing to do with whether it is a command or not; that is an objective=
 power calculation (with some fine print, perhaps).  Similarly for requests=
 and pleas.  Demands are somewhat different, but still not much about attit=
udes, etc.
Sent from my iPad

On May 5, 2013, at 7:57, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
>> That sounds like what at least the recipient would call a demand or boss=
ing or ordering about, all implying that the ordered has no power to comman=
d.
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> I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Anyway, I was talking about
> how the commander feels about giving commands. A command can be given
> in a very happy mood. Or maybe in a sad or depressive mood. In any of
> those ways, a commander with real authority trusts his command will be
> obeyed; he is sure. It may not be given with arrogance, or pride, or
> trying to give any kind of force to his words. Above all, a commander
> must be self-confident.
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