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[212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id fn10si4514880pab.1.2013.05.07.02.32.45 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 02:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.28]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LyPqS-1UWkLy1tLC-015tF0 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 11:32:44 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 May 2013 09:32:44 -0000 Received: from p5DDC4C86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.76.134] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 07 May 2013 11:32:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LXEI0SzSLgBfEmuevbWAAThSGAXccj4tHKKunxt 5xe8xCuZdoNdOJ Message-ID: <5188CA3A.9000104@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:32:42 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands. References: <20130504201243.GE20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <51856E57.2010808@gmx.de> <20130504202515.GG20411@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <55921D19-DB32-4D41-B6E9-1552B5BC9AB3@yahoo.com> <3A8DBDCA-994A-4A20-9BAD-A3A4F3561B49@yahoo.com> <5F42DC95-D2C4-4B0D-B018-A4BC82AAFB06@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la tsani cu cusku di'e > On 6 May 2013 09:47, .arpis. Yes, but the discussion is about whether to redefine (or at least to > use dialectically) {e'i} to be more in line with {e'o}, {e'u}, and > {e'a}. > > > In case we're taking votes, I vote in favour of redefining it. > Dialectically, it is already used that way by the handful of typical IRC > jbopre. An even better reason than that would be that this {.e'i} is, as arpis said, more in line with the rest of {.e'o}, {.e'u} and {.e'a} (and {.e'e} if its new definition goes through, which I hope very much). Even if nobody used {.e'i} in the proposed sense at the moment, it would still be a good idea. However, gleki is bringing up a good point, which we will have to sort out if we are to push new-{.e'i} in good conscience: What to do about the old meaning of {.e'i}? > A command to "not do" ? Sounds like {.e'o do na broda}. Why should the > attitudinal just "include negation". Sounds like an extremely pointless > feature. The BPFK's idea seems best. {.i .e'onai do da pinxe} -> "Would > you like something to drink?" Very much agreed. Negation can always be done with {na} instead. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.