Received: from mail-ob0-f184.google.com ([209.85.214.184]:46707) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UbYER-0005SD-KS for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:55 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f184.google.com with SMTP id ef5sf766551obb.11 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Y289wzHK4pJeJm7Xjbv49ztYJorNFyintLbNvDZrGEw=; b=weEQjKxDV8hIZ0Jh9PL9NQW0R83TuxtFalSMQN7GmXqmDvTHxh3z3XtzBUpOGZIy65 /frDTNAqSeRrBWLgTDtrTLqJmO4qVMAv4Fmn6bf1JTVcCRADWAhjQ1Dwvf8GuoldPYLy WJjDSyn7fZIgjENCU8BOqM9l5yHhrQdEdxnBN2TILDwP4uf9Y+BDznomWAiJ7iUIfk0v gjCJZEbuaNmqNUppl4sY7WPX3VYyHYYvqGSk9YAMiDpIzRSTP84mVkuWEtZsHBsKAnHx 4rxfqLO1hWNb+KMbMnH8K+aPV5ELIHsSRYlzGz5sGxRd2CzFlca3rcpbhvKhH6kV9+k5 H6oQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Y289wzHK4pJeJm7Xjbv49ztYJorNFyintLbNvDZrGEw=; b=mf0L3zQZlBtdIED/ywLCzCCXhWzFIHr1xyc0V1kjxcEy0GUJ5Dx1r07wVOSE1p6Ob3 iGlLKri+HU/rE6h6pUVQoq+s23sM6TFEiRNApArGByZv7PtDqTfntGro6i0Gm6cFaKxj v3s4viy6IDN2BORPNRHP5XWll67Fx4082r7bjAbTbxiaCBsI5K3bpFaVIJbaDwXIOn/r 3Ig5t3ila4vBd9njF7TNMk3NLhONgpYDowXvombW2ZmhqOGGsWN/Wn6n+0+4x23DBbOU SCZLrkJ9tqyNaENkO3+QLmp0Y0xSdM5BKYy98/4kRz+DnqOgJzfqzhMmTRbnwRdNd8Z/ ey4Q== X-Received: by 10.49.1.197 with SMTP id 5mr1816255qeo.24.1368372633333; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.49.200 with SMTP id w8ls2688272qen.1.gmail; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.59.2.42 with SMTP id bl10mr9932593ved.29.1368372632870; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x229.google.com (mail-vb0-x229.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v14si1178002vdu.3.2013.05.12.08.30.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::229; Received: by mail-vb0-x229.google.com with SMTP id w8so4575322vbf.14 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.230.201 with SMTP id ta9mr13988941vdc.119.1368372632789; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.117.74 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:30:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Higher-precedence Grouping with {bo} Is Impossible for TAG Sentence Connectives From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d9f22b2a93304dc871440 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e010d9f22b2a93304dc871440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > It just seems like multiple {bo} is illegal across the board. Bug or > feature? Could this even be implemented? If it can, should we? > > I can see two ways of implementing it in PEG (or BNF): (1) Define an upper limit on the number of grouping precedences you would allow. Then it's just a matter of adding a new rule for each level you want for each type of connective. If you decide 100 bo is the maximum then 101 bo will be ungrammatical. (2) Require of the parser that it just tells you whether the text is grammatical or not, but not ask that it return the "right" parse tree. Then you can allow as many bo as you want, but the parse won't always give the correct grouping. Neither of the two seem worth it for a feature that would probably never be used in any case. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail= .com> wrote:

It just= seems like multiple {bo} is illegal across the board. Bug or feature? Coul= d this even be implemented? If it can, should we?


I can see two w= ays of implementing it in PEG (or BNF):

(1) Define an upper limit on the number of grouping precedences you would= allow. Then it's just a matter of adding a new rule for each level you= want for each type of connective. If you decide 100 bo is the maximum then= 101 bo will be ungrammatical.

(2) Require of the parser that it just tell= s you whether the text is grammatical or not, but not ask that it return th= e "right" parse tree. Then you can allow as many bo as you want, = but the parse won't always give the correct grouping.

Neither of the two seem worth it for a feat= ure that would probably never be used in any case.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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