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On 12 May 2013 12:56, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <
lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

> More broadly, really complex constructs are more easily expressed using
> gi'ebo/gi'eke for right and left grouping in afterthought, and ga/gi for
> forethought.  Since these constructs connect multiple "bridi-tails" (selbri
> plus trailing sumti) within one .i sentence, for maximal flexibility, you
> have to but all the sumti including x1 after the selbri.  These are also
> described in that same chapter of CLL.
>

Furthermore, which I didn't realize earlier, the gi'eke construct is in my
opinion unintuitive because it breaks the ordinary rules of ke..ke'e
brackets:

{.i broda gi'eke brode ke'e brode gi'e brodu} doesn't parse, even though
{ke brode ke'e brode} does outside of a gihek. This makes it impossible to
achieve in a gihek the tanru parse {(broda brode) (brodi (brodo brodu))}
which would be done with a combination of ke..ke'e and bo as such: {.i ke
broda brode ke'e bo brodo bo brodu}

My suggestion would be to remoke gi'eke brackets altogether because they
cause unexpected behaviour and limit the possibilities of our speech more
than anything. They also have presumably little to no usage.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 12 May 2013 12:56, Bob LeChevalier, President and Found=
er - LLG <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=
=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(34,34,34)">More broadly, really complex constructs are more easily express=
ed using gi&#39;ebo/gi&#39;eke for right and left grouping in afterthought,=
 and ga/gi for forethought. =A0Since these constructs connect multiple &quo=
t;bridi-tails&quot; (selbri plus trailing sumti) within one .i sentence, fo=
r maximal flexibility, you have to but all the sumti including x1 after the=
 selbri. =A0These are also described in that same chapter of CLL.</span></d=
iv>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Furthermore, which I didn&#39;=
t realize earlier, the gi&#39;eke construct is in my opinion unintuitive be=
cause it breaks the ordinary rules of ke..ke&#39;e brackets:</div><div styl=
e>

<br></div><div style>{.i broda gi&#39;eke brode ke&#39;e brode gi&#39;e bro=
du} doesn&#39;t parse, even though {ke brode ke&#39;e brode} does outside o=
f a gihek. This makes it impossible to achieve in a gihek the tanru parse {=
(broda brode) (brodi (brodo brodu))} which would be done with a combination=
 of ke..ke&#39;e and bo as such: {.i ke broda brode ke&#39;e bo brodo bo br=
odu}<br>

</div><div style><br></div><div style>My suggestion would be to remoke gi&#=
39;eke brackets altogether because they cause unexpected behaviour and limi=
t the possibilities of our speech more than anything. They also have presum=
ably little to no usage.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div><div>=A0=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div>
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lojbab<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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k">lojbab@lojban.org</a> =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org" target=3D=
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President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.</font></span><div c=
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