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Subject: Re: [lojban] Forethought Tanru-Internal TAG Connectives
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I always interepreted that lyric as, in fact, "(we do the things that we
must do) (because we can do them)".  Nonetheless, to get at your intended
meaning, what's wrong with "zukte lo se bilga be semu'i lo nu se zifre"?

     --gejyspa

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> P.S. It occurred to me that they didn't exist when I tried translating "We
> do what we must because we can" as *{.i zukte lo semu'igi se bilga gi se
> zifre}, but {TAGgi} only works for non-tanru-internal forethought
> connectives. Using {zukte semu'igi lo se bilga gi lo se zifre} is out of
> the question because the meaning is different. I want to get at the meaning
> of "we do the (things that we must do because we can do them)" rather than
> "(we do the things that we must do) (because we can do them)." Of course I
> can resort to a zo'e-noi construct as a patch, but that's far more
> inelegant: {.i zukte zo'e noi ke'a semu'igi se bilga gi se zifre}. In sum,
> the fact that these types of connectives don't exist is frustrating and
> inconsistent and should be fixed in order for the language to be in
> accordance with its philosophy.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I always interepreted that lyric as, in fact, &quot;(we do=
 the things that we must do) (because we can do them)&quot;. =A0Nonetheless=
, to get at your intended meaning, what&#39;s wrong with &quot;zukte lo se =
bilga be semu&#39;i lo nu se zifre&quot;?=A0<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br></div><div>P.S=
. It occurred to me that they didn&#39;t exist when I tried translating &qu=
ot;We do what we must because we can&quot; as *{.i zukte lo semu&#39;igi se=
 bilga gi se zifre}, but {TAGgi} only works for non-tanru-internal forethou=
ght connectives. Using {zukte semu&#39;igi lo se bilga gi lo se zifre} is o=
ut of the question because the meaning is different. I want to get at the m=
eaning of &quot;we do the (things that we must do because we can do them)&q=
uot; rather than &quot;(we do the things that we must do) (because we can d=
o them).&quot; Of course I can resort to a zo&#39;e-noi construct as a patc=
h, but that&#39;s far more inelegant: {.i zukte zo&#39;e noi ke&#39;a semu&=
#39;igi se bilga gi se zifre}. In sum, the fact that these types of connect=
ives don&#39;t exist is frustrating and inconsistent and should be fixed in=
 order for the language to be in accordance with its philosophy.</div>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

</font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

--=A0</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div>

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