Received: from mail-vb0-f58.google.com ([209.85.212.58]:35751) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UdR9l-0004RM-4S for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:45 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f58.google.com with SMTP id p14sf927238vbm.13 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=1ZuHUax/U+RWrFQzOf67nj3txLm1e//EzUdcYCMIAss=; b=YrApjTbMnSz2Saa8XZVcngpIv6V6YG5znfdzIZeLkROsx0WNV76KfV2GTAzI4Q2LJy 6YL0oEU+fFYgPSKGOGsu5T2B0rkh9mZEIVTcxcYJkUMlOhVI+UIjvUjLMBixfw49biQM EkceSJA1Lo4MkVQoAnEWfKMUAnmWAP9qDk9ls83m8cKXjtJWiNilgpPMF/pw474OE02F G5ZN0mgrS6z34TOThNFqCfy6IBVAqyWvZqygdEvEYGmobOnmgu+olQYZNb6Pprk19PBY qkE2Vk5GmuOFCgIIQYeFzJx7JWcb+yydvrQnvJRmgmFypVtz+NbLsf6u5oj+oskj3Hfx 0uoQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=1ZuHUax/U+RWrFQzOf67nj3txLm1e//EzUdcYCMIAss=; b=lnepBlLR0/W48AA4pTuKYO/uONl+ut7Adz9Y2zmv38BWxj464ItXbLtvgwUTMW9+Ba /xe1AlpTE+MIJPOLRE5iuxpwyrYyKW6rs/gwqe34trnLNEM3rVj0o18cXZ/5DtMrDoaK /x6joWWAxCW8bbrBzqI2hH33BKqRSMokX9WVNIOBC4ysgTmoqEwA3im2FeCAGEhXjthx TR35VzeKNeJdsnNSmgXzbrHDsNLRG+PlcWMxjj8q/xcXZWyPVZflgGz6nyqpL26RZ/gq LOG6dyyCoku+H6YXAjM7a0PXk6AGsLVn2pisyeDxXwgRxEGIpxUfT+Bx/kqWGW8ZPZbW Lt9A== X-Received: by 10.50.36.99 with SMTP id p3mr3175495igj.4.1368822090499; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.128.196 with SMTP id nq4ls749861igb.4.gmail; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.254.194 with SMTP id nf2mr11533808icb.11.1368822089998; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n14si551igk.1.2013.05.17.13.21.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235; Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id dn14so5122286obc.26 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.23.70 with SMTP id k6mr3590326oef.90.1368822089719; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.87.8 with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3a8a2111-e2a8-4c40-bd66-66c6e26523b0@googlegroups.com> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> <3a8a2111-e2a8-4c40-bd66-66c6e26523b0@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple' From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d4f66b251204dcefba6f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b33d4f66b251204dcefba6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not quite sure what you mean by a "non-logical 'or'"? --gejyspa On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, iesk wrote: > ni'o la selpa'i ku cusku di'e > >ni'o ie lo tokpona cu xamgu gi'a sampu > > ni'o sei banbau se'u zo gi'a logji valsi .i mi te smuni lodo jufra la'e > zoi. aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. Toki Pona is good or simple > .aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. mu'a .i ti'e lo si'o xamgu keiku ju'e lo si'o > sampu keiku se sidbo pa da lo selbau be lo tokpona sei dei jai nandu .i mi > kucli .ibo da'i ma xe fanva zoi. gic. Toki Pona is good, or simple .gic. > sei me'o slaka bu cu se jundi .i va'i za'e friti su'ore lo valsi fi'o se > tavla fi lo mintu > > {gi'a} is a logical connector. In the context of Selpa'i's sentence, a > non-logical 'or' could also be expected. Phrasing things differently to > encircle the intended meaning. How to do that in Lojban? > > Also, my use of {mintu} is nonsense, I fear (mintu ma?). > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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=A0 I'm not quite sure what you mean by a "non-lo= gical 'or'"?
=A0--gejyspa


On Sat, Apr 20, 20= 13 at 6:53 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
ni'o la selpa'i ku cusku di'e >ni'o ie lo tokpona cu xamgu gi'a sampu

ni'o sei banbau se'u zo gi'a logji valsi =A0.i mi te smuni lodo= jufra la'e zoi. aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. Toki Pona is good or simpl= e .aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. mu'a =A0.i ti'e lo si'o xamgu ke= iku ju'e lo si'o sampu keiku se sidbo pa da lo selbau be lo tokpona= sei dei jai nandu =A0.i mi kucli .ibo da'i ma xe fanva zoi. gic. Toki = Pona is good, or simple .gic. sei me'o slaka bu cu se jundi .i va'i= za'e friti su'ore lo valsi fi'o se tavla fi lo mintu

{gi'a} is a logical connector. In the context of Selpa'i's sent= ence, a non-logical 'or' could also be expected. Phrasing things di= fferently to encircle the intended meaning. How to do that in Lojban?

Also, my use of {mintu} is nonsense, I fear (mintu ma?).

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