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Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:12:09 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'
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On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>wro=
te:

>
>
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wro=
te:
>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote=
:
>>
>>>
>>> .i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati
>>>
>> You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede that the irrealis
>> attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it,
>>
>
> How? Neither (what I believe is the correct expansion):
>
> .e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tcati
>
> nor:
>
> ge .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati
>
> (which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anything like what is
> wanted.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
With great handwaving you could argue that there just isn't an expansion. I
personally would likely read it as the first expansion, which is of course
not what is desired. I agree that it is a bad idea.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sat, May 18, 20=
13 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbr=
avado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>

</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan J=
ones </span><span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"> wrote:</span><br>

</div><div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><br></div></=
div></div>.i.e&#39;u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati<br></div></blockqu=
ote>

</div><div>You shouldn&#39;t have logical &quot;and&quot; there; I concede =
that the irrealis attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it,=A0</div></div>=
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>How? Neither (what I bel=
ieve is the correct expansion):</div>

<div><br></div><div>.e&#39;u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei l=
o tcati</div><div><br></div><div>nor:</div><div><br></div><div>ge .e&#39;u =
cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e&#39;u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>(which I don&#39;t think is the correct expansion) are =
anything like what is wanted.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xo=
rxes</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>With great handwaving you cou=
ld argue that there just isn&#39;t an expansion. I personally would likely =
read it as the first expansion, which is of course not what is desired. I a=
gree that it is a bad idea.<br>
<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <br></div></div></div></div=
></div>

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