Received: from mail-gg0-f188.google.com ([209.85.161.188]:51363) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ue7uL-0002WE-3b for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:46 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f188.google.com with SMTP id i2sf1714393ggn.5 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Kz8qjy0Vn0cqEw2L1GJHi2EsX5li0kZfVCJ35+zpn9U=; b=pyi9jRWda45dmDXxRTZ31nYlEMjpSy4zHCXZVIQxy+MY0Jb3bYrpj8ly5CiY88/Zef 0uAGyOy0uYyPxP+KwHqc324kYojaFh9/rfdqQ4RJDHYNtIgggAV89muoa5J+SCBzgn3C X2dVrXRBW+2HL/p8JzzDhqhkqPcffQnUR2t+Cj82C7RBMsFJdNmQewPf7/xM75i7HzER gQi2+BlO3MZMTQ+SoN2bSHA02+W2zY9JpdnwOKFr34omtm9LGKl/w++aO8mVz9UW2oj/ lBF2md3/qWHSgwMwkycH5JrFRXE3aP01natHUTrVzOUtgVK1paOuYmUStcZ6IA66FYQZ yKEg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Kz8qjy0Vn0cqEw2L1GJHi2EsX5li0kZfVCJ35+zpn9U=; b=pG12ZphAbpbiM6Ea6X0A+h6PgaRsMG9TRKn5+fZzlewYMMXdWMrZo7UxE4giTNxnqW nhfLTsN1ldZZTdKU5gAQ3AUS2ZoIQMfNcxSWB1SG11uGWRbgKQYm639v1maBXE/7Qs9+ ruyLSbIz4MzEq8+BnHPUeYgkZhMuCawhAARq36Snt1oRHBuMy/HfbwPtHl97bBzXVLNI xSGszLP3f/675EMCj2yXmx/7Q6ElXhGfhILpuy6j7gPR/BEdL3fRjI43YLgH+XWtmfM0 8vFZ4QM3Jyu6sngwznos4W79r4oyWm5ZR6owsGwP9D+hsNE6wothvUqCwpMjX2/6+c+Y FMDw== X-Received: by 10.50.39.84 with SMTP id n20mr521556igk.13.1368986426497; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.115.102 with SMTP id jn6ls1666490igb.26.gmail; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.112.163 with SMTP id ir3mr3288685igb.4.1368986426050; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11si788115igh.3.2013.05.19.11.00.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.41; Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n9so6966378oag.0 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.29.105 with SMTP id j9mr491417obh.60.1368986425889; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.87.8 with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> <3a8a2111-e2a8-4c40-bd66-66c6e26523b0@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:00:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple' From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2bb329e1b1b04dd15fd0a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c2bb329e1b1b04dd15fd0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism, which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)?? do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati -- done. --gejyspa On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson wrote= : > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas w= rote: > >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson wr= ote: >> >>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones wrot= e: >>> >>>> >>>> .i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati >>>> >>> You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede that the irrealis >>> attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it, >>> >> >> How? Neither (what I believe is the correct expansion): >> >> .e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tcati >> >> nor: >> >> ge .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati >> >> (which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anything like what is >> wanted. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > With great handwaving you could argue that there just isn't an expansion. > I personally would likely read it as the first expansion, which is of > course not what is desired. I agree that it is a bad idea. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. 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Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations= being described here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je= 9;i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism, =A0which you have completely avoided = (as has the webpage pointed to)??

do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati =A0 -- done.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Sat, M= ay 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9= :46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 A= M, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

.i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati
You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede = that the irrealis attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it,=A0
=

How? Neither (what I bel= ieve is the correct expansion):

.e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei l= o tcati

nor:

ge .e'u = cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati=A0

(which I don't think is the correct expansion) are = anything like what is wanted.

mu'o mi'e xo= rxes
With great handwaving y= ou could argue that there just isn't an expansion. I personally would l= ikely read it as the first expansion, which is of course not what is desire= d. I agree that it is a bad idea.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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