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Neither (what I believe is the correct expansion): >> >> >>.e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tcati >> >> >>nor: >> >> >>ge .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati=A0 >> >> >>(which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anything like what is = wanted. >> >> >>mu'o mi'e xorxes >With great handwaving you could argue that there just isn't an expansion. = I personally would likely read it as the first expansion, which is of cours= e not what is desired. I agree that it is a bad idea. > > >mi'e la latro'a mu'o=20 > > --=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups = "lojban" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an = email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >=A0 >=A0 > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. 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 The oldest solu= tion may yet be the best.

From: Michael T= urniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple= ' vs 'good, or simple'
Either I'm completely misundersta= nding the situtations being described here, or people have rejected for soe= m reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism,  which you have completely = avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??

do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati   -- done.
                -= -gejyspa



On Sat, May 18, 20= 13 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <= span dir=3D"ltr"><jjllambias@gma= il.com> wrote:



On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla= nk" href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan = Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

.i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati
=
You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede that the irrea= lis attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it, 

How? Neither (what I believe is the= correct expansion):

.e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tc= ati

nor:

ge .e'u cuxna lo= pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati 

(which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anyt= hing like what is wanted.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
With great handwaving you could arg= ue that there just isn't an expansion. I personally would likely read it as= the first expansion, which is of course not what is desired. I agree that = it is a bad idea.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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