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Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 16:01:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'
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On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

> Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described
> here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i
> mechanism,  which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed
> to)??
>
> do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati   -- done.
>                 --gejyspa
>
I think most of us would say you need {tu'a} there. ta'o nai The arguable
problem with that is that connectives that fail to fully specify the truth
table, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji} question, but
may fail to inform the person asking the question of what they should do.
When tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the natural workaround
to this isn't a fundamentally different construct, but instead telling the
person that they're being unhelpful, as you would in the analogous
situation with English. For example:

A: .i do djica tu'a lo ckafi ji lo tcati
B: .i .a
A: .i na'i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du'u mi bevri ma kau do
B: .i ua .i .e nai

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Either I&#39;m completely m=
isunderstanding the situtations being described here, or people have reject=
ed for soem reason the ji/je&#39;i/ge&#39;i/gi&#39;&#39;i mechanism, =A0whi=
ch you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??<div>

<br></div><div>do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati =A0 -- done.</div><div>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div></div></blockquote><div>I think mos=
t of us would say you need {tu&#39;a} there. ta&#39;o nai The arguable prob=
lem with that is that connectives that fail to fully specify the truth tabl=
e, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji} question, but may=
 fail to inform the person asking the question of what they should do. When=
 tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the natural workaround to =
this isn&#39;t a fundamentally different construct, but instead telling the=
 person that they&#39;re being unhelpful, as you would in the analogous sit=
uation with English. For example:<br>
<br></div><div>A: .i do djica tu&#39;a lo ckafi ji lo tcati<br></div><div>B=
: .i .a<br></div><div>A: .i na&#39;i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du&#39;u=
 mi bevri ma kau do<br></div><div>B: .i ua .i .e nai<br><br></div><div>
mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>

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