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 Content preview:  Well, {tu'a} is always a good idea with {djica} , though probably
    less a problem here than often. As for the incomplete answer, that is a problem
    with any version of this that involves a question. Consider the "Yes, please"
    answer in English. [...] 
 
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Well, {tu'a} is always a good idea with {djica} , though probably less a pr=
oblem here than often.  As for the incomplete answer, that is a problem wit=
h any version of this that involves a question.  Consider the "Yes, please"=
 answer in English.

Sent from my iPad

On May 19, 2013, at 15:01, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
> Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described he=
re, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanis=
m,  which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??
>=20
> do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati   -- done.
>                 --gejyspa
> I think most of us would say you need {tu'a} there. ta'o nai The arguable=
 problem with that is that connectives that fail to fully specify the truth=
 table, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji} question, bu=
t may fail to inform the person asking the question of what they should do.=
 When tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the natural workaroun=
d to this isn't a fundamentally different construct, but instead telling th=
e person that they're being unhelpful, as you would in the analogous situat=
ion with English. For example:
>=20
> A: .i do djica tu'a lo ckafi ji lo tcati
> B: .i .a
> A: .i na'i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du'u mi bevri ma kau do
> B: .i ua .i .e nai
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> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well, {tu'a} is always a =
good idea with {djica} , though probably less<span class=3D"Apple-style-spa=
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n-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">&nbsp;a problem here than of=
ten. &nbsp;As for the incomplete answer, that is a problem with any version=
 of this that involves a question. &nbsp;Consider the "Yes, please" answer =
in English.</span></div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On May 19,=
 2013, at 15:01, Ian Johnson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">=
blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Either I'm completely misun=
derstanding the situtations being described here, or people have rejected f=
or soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism, &nbsp;which you have compl=
etely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??<div>

<br></div><div>do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati &nbsp; -- done.</div><div>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --gejyspa</div></div></=
blockquote><div>I think most of us would say you need {tu'a} there. ta'o na=
i The arguable problem with that is that connectives that fail to fully spe=
cify the truth table, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji=
} question, but may fail to inform the person asking the question of what t=
hey should do. When tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the nat=
ural workaround to this isn't a fundamentally different construct, but inst=
ead telling the person that they're being unhelpful, as you would in the an=
alogous situation with English. For example:<br>
<br></div><div>A: .i do djica tu'a lo ckafi ji lo tcati<br></div><div>B: .i=
 .a<br></div><div>A: .i na'i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du'u mi bevri ma=
 kau do<br></div><div>B: .i ua .i .e nai<br><br></div><div>
mi'e la latro'a mu'o<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>

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