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It extends to multiple items ji it can be used with only two? stevo On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described > here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i > mechanism, which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed > to)?? > > do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati -- done. > --gejyspa > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson wro= te: > >> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas = wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson w= rote: >>> >>>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones wro= te: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati >>>>> >>>> You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede that the irrealis >>>> attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it, >>>> >>> >>> How? Neither (what I believe is the correct expansion): >>> >>> .e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tcati >>> >>> nor: >>> >>> ge .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati >>> >>> (which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anything like what i= s >>> wanted. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> >> With great handwaving you could argue that there just isn't an expansion= . >> I personally would likely read it as the first expansion, which is of >> course not what is desired. I agree that it is a bad idea. >> >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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I remember this now as a Loglan cleverness. It extends to = multiple items ji it can be used with only two?

st= evo


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky <= ;mturniansky@gma= il.com> wrote:
Either I'm completely m= isunderstanding the situtations being described here, or people have reject= ed for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism, =A0whi= ch you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??

do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati =A0 -- done.
=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbrav= ado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge= Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 A= M, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

.i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati
You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede = that the irrealis attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it,=A0
=

How? Neither (what I bel= ieve is the correct expansion):

.e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei l= o tcati

nor:

ge .e'u = cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati=A0

(which I don't think is the correct expansion) are = anything like what is wanted.

mu'o mi'e xo= rxes
With great handwaving y= ou could argue that there just isn't an expansion. I personally would l= ikely read it as the first expansion, which is of course not what is desire= d. I agree that it is a bad idea.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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