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Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 00:51:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'
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   Okay, I agree that formally, I do need a tu'a for a djica 2 (although I
have always argued against that, although this is neither here nor there).
 And yes, I have always thought that we should have a "choose from list"
cmavo, for cases of >2 choices.  I was just wondering why in the particular
case being bandied about, the "?"connectors weren't being mentioned.

          --gejyspa


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described
>> here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i
>> mechanism,  which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed
>> to)??
>>
>> do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati   -- done.
>>                 --gejyspa
>>
> I think most of us would say you need {tu'a} there. ta'o nai The arguable
> problem with that is that connectives that fail to fully specify the truth
> table, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji} question, but
> may fail to inform the person asking the question of what they should do.
> When tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the natural workaround
> to this isn't a fundamentally different construct, but instead telling the
> person that they're being unhelpful, as you would in the analogous
> situation with English. For example:
>
> A: .i do djica tu'a lo ckafi ji lo tcati
> B: .i .a
> A: .i na'i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du'u mi bevri ma kau do
> B: .i ua .i .e nai
>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 =A0Okay, I agree that formally, I do need a tu&#39;a f=
or a djica 2 (although I have always argued against that, although this is =
neither here nor there). =A0And yes, I have always thought that we should h=
ave a &quot;choose from list&quot; cmavo, for cases of &gt;2 choices. =A0I =
was just wondering why in the particular case being bandied about, the &quo=
t;?&quot;connectors weren&#39;t being mentioned.<div>
<br></div><div style>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div style><br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Su=
n, May 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, May 19, 2013=
 at 2:00 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mtu=
rniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Either I&#39;m completely m=
isunderstanding the situtations being described here, or people have reject=
ed for soem reason the ji/je&#39;i/ge&#39;i/gi&#39;&#39;i mechanism, =A0whi=
ch you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??<div>


<br></div><div>do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati =A0 -- done.</div><div>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div></div></blockquote></div><div>I thi=
nk most of us would say you need {tu&#39;a} there. ta&#39;o nai The arguabl=
e problem with that is that connectives that fail to fully specify the trut=
h table, such as {.o nai} and {.a}, are valid answers to a {ji} question, b=
ut may fail to inform the person asking the question of what they should do=
. When tsani and I talked about this we concluded that the natural workarou=
nd to this isn&#39;t a fundamentally different construct, but instead telli=
ng the person that they&#39;re being unhelpful, as you would in the analogo=
us situation with English. For example:<br>

<br></div><div>A: .i do djica tu&#39;a lo ckafi ji lo tcati<br></div><div>B=
: .i .a<br></div><div>A: .i na&#39;i .i sarcu fa lo nu mi djuno lo du&#39;u=
 mi bevri ma kau do<br></div><div>B: .i ua .i .e nai<br><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"im">
<div>
mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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