Received: from mail-ea0-f191.google.com ([209.85.215.191]:35937) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UeqWK-0005Ga-ME for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:39:10 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f191.google.com with SMTP id a11sf113776eae.28 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V0L9obJv+auygNMhnnsMVdkKoJpH/aU7ZhYFajH1dhE=; b=j4vfYgBobxGY6z0keghh63RE9MyPt+JVydQ1HPaelIgUQlGoafff+WYOt/3qGTUMa3 NKdLYyDvEkxvw4vQn8XHah8mfmir5rg1ZTY28wnjQ0fBgjW15TE1A0ooBmOerHhoiPPt /PfdQmLBYbIwT60YhmGqzRJ1+UyyOahWs3YblpoLI0dgAMThVQdxuUVQsB7bgOCsVnxn 74BA9TbBxStGKWOTtXCvGt56C1xm1TU3eMiAGva8LDzn7AKMHvvyM4w1eviteO5peJTL KMF6Uhrv1wLXXQaGWjKh6Tm9cpHyod11cplfQriTv5KUMdkTZxCZ+R/5aE1BLvGpAMqH eZlQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V0L9obJv+auygNMhnnsMVdkKoJpH/aU7ZhYFajH1dhE=; b=QzD59sr73fCKyivjzv/WINbf2RYUNkh3r2S40asObbA/xxa7opvwU/uYOfaJc50dUd 1FzGOcUvqXbHjQn46Ng/5Rm3MEvUiiygxztJcGhUsI5Gll+d3XTh3pOn4/4uyyUrPwdu DXIfnfnkOfAqogRLkgo551JURlFQ/1SEcqWEuF9vfp/HW4DKoMhpmB59cKGeE6w7nwFr HyyA0UbjEj2WM6wWOlZDKG7nSiQ0kf5xx5pj3Ni9l8Y/7VJJDnCeLeWGqEws7mDOTqmf lri2fu1B18JVl8kKO5NGTGE21Yyw3/Y2vxEcGGWUWNQs2p4nLTAA15DiVtFpd2A5jEwg bLIw== X-Received: by 10.180.81.194 with SMTP id c2mr258708wiy.18.1369157911289; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.38.11 with SMTP id c11ls281093wik.6.gmail; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.71.134 with SMTP id h6mr330098bkj.8.1369157910744; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev8si340593bkb.1.2013.05.21.10.38.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.179; Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r11so1087825lbv.24 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.210.101 with SMTP id mt5mr2114978lbc.85.1369157910351; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.1.166 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <519BAF53.8070103@gmx.de> References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> <20130520221213.GB3114@samsa.fritz.box> <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> <519B8B71.90800@gmx.de> <519B9D34.3010704@gmx.de> <519BAF53.8070103@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:38:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3bbc8e3545c04dd3dea5c X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3bbc8e3545c04dd3dea5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM, selpa'i wrote: > la .aionys. cu cusku di'e > >> There's no such thing as a member of the BPFK that can't vote. IFF >> >> you're in the BPFK, you can vote. >> > > You misunderstood. I meant "new active members of the lojban community". > We have several of them and their opinion should matter, and yet they > cannot vote (that is, if there even were any votings). Thus, the BPFK no > longer is a proper representation of the lojban community, which means that > their decisions would no longer be accepted as law by everyone. > All they have to do to be heard is join the BPFK. It's not an exclusive club. Desire to be a part of it is the only criteria. Well, that and a working knowledge of Lojban, of course. > To the rest of your response; you don't have to explain the BPFK to me. Apparently I do, since you don't seem to understand it, nor its purpose, nor what is required to make it stop being, as you put it, "dead". -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On T= ue, May 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrot= e:
la .aionys. cu cusku di'e
There's no such thing as a member of the BPFK that can't vote. IFF<= div class=3D"im">
you're in the BPFK, you can vote.

You misunderstood. I meant "new active members of the lojban community= ". We have several of them and their opinion should matter, and yet th= ey cannot vote (that is, if there even were any votings). Thus, the BPFK no= longer is a proper representation of the lojban community, which means tha= t their decisions would no longer be accepted as law by everyone.

All they have to do to be heard is join th= e BPFK. It's not an exclusive club. Desire to be a part of it is the on= ly criteria. Well, that and a working knowledge of Lojban, of course.
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To the rest of your response; you don't have to explain the BPFK to me.=

Apparently I do, since you don't seem = to understand it, nor its purpose, nor what is required to make it stop bei= ng, as you put it, "dead".

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko c= mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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