Received: from mail-da0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:51467) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uev1k-0007CU-3q for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:33 -0700 Received: by mail-da0-f61.google.com with SMTP id x4sf376996daj.16 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-ct-class:x-ct-score:x-ct-refid:x-ct-spam :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5SANlvbJdeJfazqJmQ06iEq+4SKrhomxy/dUzkWXWiY=; b=oT7p9iQ2nTefTZJLnDcPJJpTAT9B5tRpLh0Yth5+qzco7c1xgw5dVxyraACYFcOrZU xF7pLRmim3lvIOu9TEofOUQ+gcLB803OBeGf83TNQYzwXzsQBwhEyKjFb2jC24JpyOeE ptLuCkSgLfz8gH3abhFO0vKtFffc+aE03rpGYUID/uwCuRmV9Kr5v+he6D4xYJItQsw/ 9dTxmQNdg+1t1E9Z3fbI3M0s4UjR19wMfhalnf/0Ce8cqZHtpodcf0CHGOvUnSLGLrZt fD0Y6T0NQHVfrFTGsYFQ6a/wNnyJp2ov6Xi9h6ieJ2HNP1GmpQA7QGEWR1jYyEsb0axU tbuQ== X-Received: by 10.49.97.104 with SMTP id dz8mr448245qeb.15.1369175241704; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.14.195 with SMTP id r3ls538793qec.63.gmail; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.165.130 with SMTP id i2mr2420775qay.2.1369175241213; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net. [68.230.241.216]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g3si356037qcv.3.2013.05.21.15.27.21 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.216 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.216; Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130521222720.NIRL14322.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([72.209.255.54]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id emTL1l00S1BBvFL01mTLTL; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:20 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.519BF4C8.00F7,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=U4lM+5Xu c=1 sm=1 a=DJcW3uYjUF7QOSDKTYkEUA==:17 a=YsUzL_8ObRgA:10 a=O4Dd4oqXDCAA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=XJo1af3WB4QA:10 a=yRpyNFmMRAGzOgAGqQkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=DJcW3uYjUF7QOSDKTYkEUA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <519BF4C8.7040505@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:20 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> <20130520221213.GB3114@samsa.fritz.box> <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> <519B8B71.90800@gmx.de> <519B9D34.3010704@gmx.de> <1369156225.81761.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <519BB664.7010505@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <519BB664.7010505@gmx.de> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.216 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / selpa'i wrote: > la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e >> Herein is the crux. What is Lojban? It is surely not the language off >> CLL or much like it; > > Surely not. > >> it is not that modified by xorlo (any of the dozen >> or so xorlos, not counting those by xorxes himself). > > xorlo is but a tiny fraction of what sets apart CLL-Lojban from Now-Lojban. Anyone who uses something other that CLL-Lojban plus xorlo is not using the standard language. I, for one, probably won't understand them, because I have explicitly chosen NOT to learn experimental/proposed changes. I suspect that a lot of others are like me. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.