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Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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{lo ka ta pelxu} is clearly grammatical.=A0 the problem is that (like most =
things that are grammatical) it doesn't make any obvious sense or, perhaps,=
 makes too many not very obvious senses.=A0 A property of worlds, say, or a=
 particular shade of yellow in this one or ... .=A0 How is it to be avoided=
 ? Allowing only {ce'u} after {ka}?=A0 And thus creating a new word class -=
-or two?=A0 Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not using it.

Be nice to know what version of xorlo Lojbab understands.


________________________________
 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban
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la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e
> selpa'i wrote:
>> la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
>>> Herein is the crux.=A0 What is Lojban?=A0 It is surely not the language=
 off
>>> CLL or much like it;
>>
>> Surely not.
>>
>>> it is not that modified by xorlo (any of the dozen
>>> or so xorlos, not counting those by xorxes himself).
>>
>> xorlo is but a tiny fraction of what sets apart CLL-Lojban from
>> Now-Lojban.
>
> Anyone who uses something other that CLL-Lojban plus xorlo is not using
> the standard language.=A0 I, for one, probably won't understand them,
> because I have explicitly chosen NOT to learn experimental/proposed
> changes.=A0 I suspect that a lot of others are like me.

A good example is the evolution of {ka}. Nowadays, most proficient=20
speakers would not consider {lo ka ta pelxu} a well-formed expression,=20
even though the CLL accepts it.

There are many more such cases. It would be naive to assume that=20
everyone is still speaking CLL-Lojban.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">{lo ka ta pelxu} is c=
learly grammatical.&nbsp; the problem is that (like most things that are gr=
ammatical) it doesn't make any obvious sense or, perhaps, makes too many no=
t very obvious senses.&nbsp; A property of worlds, say, or a particular sha=
de of yellow in this one or ... .&nbsp; How is it to be avoided ? Allowing =
only {ce'u} after {ka}?&nbsp; And thus creating a new word class --or two?&=
nbsp; Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not using it.<br><br>Be =
nice to know what version of xorlo Lojbab understands.<br><div><span><br></=
span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new=
 york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times ne=
w roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr s=
ize=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span
 style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> selpa'i &lt;seladwa@gmx.de&gt=
;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegro=
ups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday=
, May 21, 2013 5:43 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</=
span></b> Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban<br> </=
font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e<br>&gt; selpa'i wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; la .pycyn. cu =
cusku di'e<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Herein is the crux.&nbsp; What is Lojban?&nbsp; =
It is surely not the language off<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; CLL or much like it;<br>&=
gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Surely not.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; it is not that =
modified by xorlo (any of the dozen<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; or so xorlos, not count=
ing those by xorxes himself).<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; xorlo is but a tiny f=
raction of what sets apart CLL-Lojban from<br>&gt;&gt; Now-Lojban.<br>&gt;<=
br>&gt; Anyone who uses something other that CLL-Lojban plus xorlo is not u=
sing<br>&gt; the standard language.&nbsp; I, for one, probably won't unders=
tand them,<br>&gt; because I have explicitly chosen NOT to learn experiment=
al/proposed<br>&gt; changes.&nbsp; I suspect that a lot of others are like =
me.<br><br>A good example is the evolution of {ka}. Nowadays, most proficie=
nt <br>speakers would not consider {lo ka ta pelxu} a well-formed
 expression, <br>even though the CLL accepts it.<br><br>There are many more=
 such cases. It would be naive to assume that <br>everyone is still speakin=
g CLL-Lojban.<br><br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br><br>-- <br>You received this m=
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post to this group, send email to <a ymailto=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
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