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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > {lo ka ta pelxu} is clearly grammatical. the problem is that (like most > things that are grammatical) it doesn't make any obvious sense or, > perhaps, makes too many not very obvious senses. A property of worlds, > say, or a particular shade of yellow in this one or ... . How is it to > be avoided ? Allowing only {ce'u} after {ka}? And thus creating a new > word class --or two? Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not > using it. 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Allowing only {ce'u} after {ka}? And thus creating a new > word class --or two? Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not > using it. {lo ka ta pelxu} is grammatical but makes no sense to said group of speakers because a {ka} abstraction must contain at least one {ce'u}. There is no obvious place to go for {ce'u} here, so it's not well-formed. {ce'u}-less {ka} has fallen out of use and that's not really a new development, seeing that old jboske discussions already had settled on it. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.