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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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That is, it is a stylistic convention, not a grammar change.=A0 Nothing wro=
ng with that, of course, but not a change in the language per se, merely in=
 its use.


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 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban
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la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> {lo ka ta pelxu} is clearly grammatical.=A0 the problem is that (like mos=
t
> things that are grammatical) it doesn't make any obvious sense or,
> perhaps, makes too many not very obvious senses.=A0 A property of worlds,
> say, or a particular shade of yellow in this one or ... .=A0 How is it to
> be avoided ? Allowing only {ce'u} after {ka}?=A0 And thus creating a new
> word class --or two?=A0 Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not
> using it.

{lo ka ta pelxu} is grammatical but makes no sense to said group of speaker=
s because a {ka} abstraction must contain at least one {ce'u}. There is no =
obvious place to go for {ce'u} here, so it's not well-formed. {ce'u}-less {=
ka} has fallen out of use and that's not really a new development, seeing t=
hat old jboske discussions already had settled on it.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>That is, i=
t is a stylistic convention, not a grammar change.&nbsp; Nothing wrong with=
 that, of course, but not a change in the language per se, merely in its us=
e.</span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,=
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s new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <=
hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght:bold;">From:</span></b> selpa'i &lt;seladwa@gmx.de&gt;<br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5=
:15 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [l=
ojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban<br> </font> </div> <di=
v
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la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e<br>&gt; {lo ka ta pelxu} is clearly grammatical.&n=
bsp; the problem is that (like most<br>&gt; things that are grammatical) it=
 doesn't make any obvious sense or,<br>&gt; perhaps, makes too many not ver=
y obvious senses.&nbsp; A property of worlds,<br>&gt; say, or a particular =
shade of yellow in this one or ... .&nbsp; How is it to<br>&gt; be avoided =
? Allowing only {ce'u} after {ka}?&nbsp; And thus creating a new<br>&gt; wo=
rd class --or two?&nbsp; Seems Draconian, when you can get by by just not<b=
r>&gt; using it.<br><br>{lo ka ta pelxu} is grammatical but makes no sense =
to said group of speakers because a {ka} abstraction must contain at least =
one {ce'u}. There is no obvious place to go for {ce'u} here, so it's not we=
ll-formed. {ce'u}-less {ka} has fallen out of use and that's not really a n=
ew development, seeing that old jboske discussions already had settled on i=
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